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Originally posted by Psy-T legalization would likely enforce the use of contraceptives. and as if restaurants, print shops, and any other similiar businesses can't serve as 'a front for drugs and criminal activity'. it's really 'funny' that you claim to be not hung up about sexual issues.

oh and a restaurant/bar doesn't serve drinks to underaged people for example? just because it's a legal business doesn't make it any safer. how am i saying this is a bad thing because it's a sexual issue? you want your dick to fall off and your wife to leave you that's your beeswax

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Originally posted by Lepanto oh and a restaurant/bar doesn't serve drinks to underaged people for example?

oh, and prostitutes don't work the streets as is?
what's your damn point?

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Originally posted by Lepanto how am i saying this is a bad thing because it's a sexual issue?

i think everything you're saying comes down to that in fact, what other arguement do you have?

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Originally posted by Lepanto you want your dick to fall off and your wife to leave you that's your beeswax

yeah... now that would require me to stop using contraceptives and be married...

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No one is saying that legalizing prostitution will make using a prostitute mandatory. You say yourself that if I want to fuck a prostitute with STDs, have my dick melt off and my wife fuck me over for alimony while getting our good posesssions, it is my business. So why are you against it's legalization?

From Febuary's issue of UPFRONT Magazine Windsor, Ontario

Want to gamble with something other than money?

How about your sexual health! Ask for illicit sex & you shall recieve. Prostitution is legal here! Now remember, you cant solicit it. Or at least, dont tell anyone that you did. New to the process, unsure of where to start? Try the escort services if you like treating yourself, or one of the countless "massage parlors" if you're looking for something not too expensive & relatively simple. If you feel like slumming it, just take a drive down Wyandotte. If it's female and it's on Wyandotte, chances are you an buy it by the hour. But dont pay too much, you'll "pay" enough in pain and medical bills later. Not a risk taker? May'be you'd prefer the voyeuristic pleasures offered by any of our many gentlemens clubs. Girls take their clothes off, but keep any diseases they might have to themselves. Unless you're willing to pay extra that it.

We all know that sex with strippers is good, but sex with stripper on coke is unbeatable!

Windsor is a fantastic destination for even the most drug seasoned tourist... v

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As for what I think about legalized prostitution in Windsor. When I was living near there, there as already ALOT of prostitution before they legalized it, most of it concentrated around Wyandotte St. & the chiep motel district near the airport. Now, my guess is that it is more centered around the casino, and that a much larger majority of the customers are American tourists. Most of the legal brothels are called "spas" which sounds alot better than "Whore house".

Several years ago, a non legal "whorehouse" was busted in a residential neighborhood. No lie, the ladies defence was that she was that she ties people up & beats them. She ended up getting convicted anyway.

While I obviously dont think prostitution is safe or a good thing. I havent noticed much of a change there in Windsor since they legalized it. I'm not sure throwing hookers in jail works. It seems like alot of them go right back to their old corner when they get out.

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I think what it really comes down to it, since no actual argument has been made, what are the benifits of legal prostitution? Outside of tax revenue. Because the same thing could be said to crack as well.

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Originally posted by Psy-T security guards face as much (or more/less, not really relavant) personal health and safety risks as prostitutes, yet i hear of no cry to mention it as an occupation that one cannot be forced to accept in the various constitutions.

I think you're using an unsubstantiated arguement here therefore it really isn't worth discussing.

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the reason for that is probably either that it is already mentioned as such (and nothing is stopping the ruling bodies to include prostitution under that bill aswell i presume), or, and more likely, that the safety risks are not really the concern here.

I agree, there is nothing stopping legislative bodies from protecting persons from being forced/extorted into prostitution. This is what I was getting at earlier. So long as such measures were in place I would have no objection to the legalization of prostitution.

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which brings us back to legislating morality...

My point earlier is equally valid here. If people are not protected from being forced/extorted into prostitution then essentially states would be forcing people to accept prostitution as morally acceptable.

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Originally posted by Lepanto What are the benifits of legal prostitution?

What are the benefits of legalized/de-criminalized marijuana?

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Originally posted by Lepanto I think what it really comes down to it, since no actual argument has been made, what are the benifits of legal prostitution? Outside of tax revenue. Because the same thing could be said to crack as well.

If you legalize it then you can regulate it. I would imagine one could bring in regulation requireing licenses with a condition being frequent STD tests and certain safety precautions being followed. Additionally, if prostitution is legal it can be religated to a designated area so that it does not interfere with other businesses. Also, pimps become less of a problem as the prostitutes can now go to the police for protection as could any other citizen. I'm sure we could think of more but meh, I got work to do.

Indeed. If you regulate it, you can enforce standards and rules. Pricing likely comes down as it no longer becomes illicity activity. Hopefully the criminal, less savory aspects then take a back seat to the business. Who knows, you will probably even find unionized prostitutes before you know it if it were legalized.

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Originally posted by Lepanto I think what it really comes down to it, since no actual argument has been made, what are the benifits of legal prostitution? Outside of tax revenue. Because the same thing could be said to crack as well.

What public good does it serve to make it illegal? If you're restricting free choice, there should be some substantive reason to do so. The burden of proof shouldn't be on free markets and the exchange of goods and services, there are clearly indvidiuals in society who would value such services, the burden of proof should be on the government to explain why they deem it necessary to make it an illegal activity. Otherwise, one can rightly critisize any luxury good and ask what benefits are derived from them.

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I'm going with what the previous two (edit: three) posters said: the legalisation of prostitution isn't so much about the abolition of old laws as it is about the creation of new ones. Given that prostitution has existed in virtually every society since the dawn of civilization (hence the phrase, "the oldest profession in the world") making prostitution illegal in liberal, 21st societies isn't going to do much to stamp it out. If we make it legal, however, then we can regulate it and ensure that the women are treated well, paid well and remain free to leave or enter the profession as they please.

Even taking this into account, a better question than "Why should we make it legal?" would be "Why should we make it illegal"? If someone is willing to pay for sex and someone is willing to accept money for sex, what authority does the government have to prevent such a transaction? You could argue that it could be made illegal because prostitution puts women in danger, but I would argue that the legalisation (and therefore regulation) of prostitution would make them safer. You could argue that it degrades women, I would argue that taking hundreds of dollars from desperate men for 30 minutes of sex actually empowers these women in a way. You could argue that it is morally reprehensible, I would argue that the government has no right to legislate on matters of morality where the act is voluntary on behalf of all those participating in it. If you find prostitution so morally offensive, there is a solution - never solicit or become a prostitute! Why is this approach towards issues of personal morality so difficult for conservative didacts to follow?

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