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Originally posted by Abercrombie Stick to energy drinks people, or something legal like Sudafed to keep you energetic and awake. Long-term effects are still not well documented yet, and I hate to be the one to find out years from now that my brain is fried or be pushing my old catatonic raver friends in a wheelchair.

This is misinformation. MDMA had been used for recreational use since the late 60s. It was heavily used throught the 70 particularly in and around Austin TX. There have been no records of any long term effects from those early users, in fact, most research suggests MDMA is extrordinarally safe. I am not aware if the same can be said for psydo-effedrine or energy drinks.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Stick to energy drinks people, or something legal like Sudafed to keep you energetic and awake. Long-term effects are still not well documented yet, and I hate to be the one to find out years from now that my brain is fried or be pushing my old catatonic raver friends in a wheelchair. Yeah, I joke about it, and I am no angel either, and I preach MODERATION, like only on special events and such.... but what freaks me out is me is reading about ppl taking this shit every day or every fri and sat nights every weekend. If anyone is taking it that often, that person needs some intervention from friends immediately, and if you know someone like that, get together and help them out.

yeah man, whether you intend it or not, this is leaning toward scare mongering. I look at my dad...a typical drug loving rocker of the 70s and 80s who literally tried everything! All the herbs, including piotee...hundreds and hundreds of hits of acid, MDA, mescalin, heroin once or twice, and he went through a horrible addiction with cocaine in the early 80s when it was big. He hates his past and got clean when he got married...but you know what? He's 54 years old and other than being a bit overweight and having high blood pressure, he's fine. He's not in a wheel chair....he has a career, he plays golf on the weekends, etc. So say the average E user goes through 100-200 pills in their lifetime....I don't think everybody is going to end up with brain disorders. I had a long talk with my doctor about this anyway and he said a lot of the information out there about MDMA is purely misinformation. He went as far to say that it's equivalent to binge drinking.

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Folks, I'm not scare-mongering... like I said... MODERATION is ok, and pple like in the article, and ppl who take two nights every weekend is what I feel sorry for. Yes, E has been around from the turn of the century too as a diet pill, I know that, I'm well-researched. The frequency and amount of users has increased over the years, though we're passed its peak. The e nowadays is not even the same e I tried several years ago, as it's so watered down and mixed with who knows what.

So all I am saying, understand what you're putting into your body. No one can say that constantantly draining one's seratonins without giving your body a chance to recover them isn't healthy no matter what your arguement.

Moderation.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Cam....I don't know if I should thank you or kick your ass next time I see you.....I guess we will find out on Friday

I'm affraid and anxious.

That 40,000 number is bullshit. There are just too many reasons why it can't be that large.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur That 40,000 number is bullshit. There are just too many reasons why it can't be that large.

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Actually, over nine years thats only like 12 pills a day. I know people who 12 pills a day would be nothing....I'm sure his number is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 40,000 then 30,000

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Folks, I'm not scare-mongering... like I said... MODERATION is ok, and pple like in the article, and ppl who take two nights every weekend is what I feel sorry for. Yes, E has been around from the turn of the century too as a diet pill, I know that, I'm well-researched. The frequency and amount of users has increased over the years, though we're passed its peak. The e nowadays is not even the same e I tried several years ago, as it's so watered down and mixed with who knows what. So all I am saying, understand what you're putting into your body. No one can say that constantantly draining one's seratonins without giving your body a chance to recover them isn't healthy no matter what your arguement. Moderation.

I agree with you about moderation. But is it really watered down? Or are the people who think that have been using it for so long that they have developed a huge tolerance? I first tried it a year ago and it was massive...and it's been great every time, although once I had some serious palpitations for about half hour which I couldn't quite understand. I think most people who start bingeing all the time are in a phase that they grow out of pretty quick. Back during the holidays I did it quite a bit and figured it would be thing to do when I went out. That's changed....I think every month at the most is a good guideline but as I said before, it's been three months since I last dropped and I haven't had any desire to do it again since that night.

edit: then again, it could be because I did a pure mdma brownish capsule and it was just too intense and I didn't feel "right" for several days after.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced ] Actually, over nine years thats only like 12 pills a day. I know people who 12 pills a day would be nothing....I'm sure his number is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 40,000 then 30,000

Just looking at ti from a financial point of view, that much comes out to a few mil, not including the money he spent on cannabis. Add that up to money for basic tasks, and the fact that you're unable to hold down any kind of a job.

How can you even function on 12 pills a day? You're constantly high, so like even the most basic tasks you'll fuck up.

You gotta be drinking water all the time, yet you got no appetite. That's extreme water consumption in relation to your food consumption.

And the catch up factor is crazy - you miss one day, and the next one you'll have to take 24 pills in one day to "stay on track". Miss 2, ans it's 36...

etc etc.

It's just really really really unlikely, to the point of impossibility.

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he did say he was taking 25 pills a day for 4 years so that is 8 years of pills at 12 pills a day right there.

The actual costs are probably not nearly the same as what most of us pay. You would have to assume he is buying in bulk and probably has a good relationship with his dealer. I would bet he was paying somewhere around $4-5.00 per pill which would only come to $200,000.00

Although the long term effects for MDMA are not clearly defined yet, and there may not be any. The short term is what fucks me up sometimes. A person going into a seizure right beside you or a person on a bad trip. That shit fucks with your brain. And Im sure that all of us have an incident or two that they wish they could forget.

And dont start with the whole its other drugs that are causing that shit. I can recall a few incidents that were definitely caused by E.

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Originally posted by Mag1k Although the long term effects for MDMA are not clearly defined yet, and there may not be any. The short term is what fucks me up sometimes. A person going into a seizure right beside you or a person on a bad trip. That shit fucks with your brain. And Im sure that all of us have an incident or two that they wish they could forget. And dont start with the whole its other drugs that are causing that shit. I can recall a few incidents that were definitely caused by E.

you have to remember most E pills are not pure MDMA....I've never had a bad experience with E....that being said....I make sure that I keep myself hydrated and I never mix alcohol with it.

Face it....its not legal for a reason......the short term effects I'm sure will have some sort of long term effects....even if only minor.