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| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The above are all good points and very valid, however, you have a causation problem. The US has been supportive of Isreal even prior to it actually being a country. Certainly none of the reasons you have raised for the US's support of Isreal existed in the early 50s. Moreover, it is almost certain that without US support Isreal would not have acheived the technological, military and economic advantages that it presently enjoys. What you have raised is causally related to US support, however, that relationship is the inverse of what you have suggested.... The US does not support Isreal because they are the regional powerhouse, Isreal is the regional power BECAUSE of US support. |
Israel wasn't brought where it was because of American support to begin with -- I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Large amounts of the Jewish population went to Israel because they were aiming to escape the Nazi regime in the early 40s, many were denied however because Britain still was trying to keep the area under control which consequentially was labelled Palestine (This included Jordan), though it never became an official country. In 1948 the Jews who were settled in Israel (after the Trans-Jordan area was split into two different territories, one for Arabs and one for Jews) fought for themselves and stood up in a war against the surrounding arab nations. This prompted the creation of Israel, finally settled on its own.
The States were not involved in the creation of Israel, and they succeeded in acheiving independence on their own after Britain had split the land. Perhaps they received assistance from the U.S. in later years, but they certainly were settled on their own, and did not require American aid. Israel developed as a counry on its own, and the technology that is made there frequently stays there (no involvement from The States). They certainly would have managed on their own, but the support helped, no doubt about it. To say that Israel is only where it is now BECAUSE of the States is a bit far fetched though. There's been enough funding for other countries as well as the Palestinians settled in the Gaza Strip and other such areas from the U.S. (until a few weeks ago when Hamas was granted that government and support was revoked). You may as well say that all the other countries in the area reached where they are now because of Britain and the States -- but that wouldn't be valid; and in this case, neither is your point.
Sidenote: I'm glad we're actually capable of some level of intelligible argument/discussion rather than saying "OMG LETS BOMB THEIR ASSES" or something of the sort -- props to you for that Moral Hazard 
Last edited by Shade on Apr-13-2006 at 17:51
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