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hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind



Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Iran doesn't want nukes huh?
Then why don't have an open door policy on that and PROVE it to the world? Why are they constantly denying the U.N. inspections? Actions speak louder than words my friend.


Seems like history is about to repeat intself once again.They did let the inspectors in and there was no proof of the making any sort of bombs.

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The world has a right to be suspicious when anyone who denies the holocaust and openly talks about wiping a country off the map, hell, they even had a conference on it! But I guess you didn't get that memo...


you think Isreal wouldnt want to wipe of Iran off the map?just because you dont hear it doesnt mean they dont want to.
At least admit that this whole thing is once again about the safety of Isreal.Iraq was taken care of and now it is Irans turn.This time Both Isreal and the U.S will pay the price big time.

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Hey look, it's your buddy...and look, what's that poster in front of him? Yea, I'm REAL fucking paranoid because the media made this shit up...




ooh no he is soooooooooooo evil kill him kiiiiiiiiiill him!!!!lol


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and you sir, are delusional and falling for his agenda which he's clearly stated.How blind can one be?


you my friend are once again about to fall for another war of lies and propaganda how brainwashed can one be?

The only agenda here is that Bush is trying to convince the world once again that they are trying to save the world and Iran is a threat to their fuckin freedom.I say Bush is the threat to the world not Iran.


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Q5echo
asymetrical scepticism



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Thanks for devestating Iraq, possibly Iran in the near future too
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increasing the threat of terrorism
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supporting psychotic fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia
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creating Al-Q in the first place
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destroying our civil liberties and the constitution
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media and administration that has been constantly lying to you
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manufacturing evidence
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give up all your liberties so you're "safe."
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intiating the transformation of "the land of the free" to "the police state."
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I had no clue totalitarianism was "freedom."

these posts sound more scared and paranoid than any of my posts and others here if you ask me.

must suck to live like that.

glad i'm ignernt
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EDIT: I will continue to excercise my right to rant about the state of this fucked up world and patheticaly easily manipulated species called the human race while I still have the right to freedom of speech and expression.

alright. but don't make me get on the horn to Rumsfeld and have you snatched up and taken to GITMO

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hardcore trancer
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada

quote:
Originally posted by WM2
I'm leaning towards the idea that this guy is fucked in the head cause everytime he gets up behind a podium and has a bunch of microphones in his face he has to say something about destroying Israel.


good point lets go invade them and bring democracy to them. I mean if you are a threat to Isreal you must be destroyd.


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Yet his government is, "at the service of the people. It is a government of peace, justice and spirituality."


please your government is 10X worse then they are.


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Lemonad
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: big ol Sydney

Seriously hardcore trancer, ignore them. If none of them can come up with a reasonable answer other than "Hey, he is evil", "Bush said Iran has nukes, so he must be right" "Iran, they're arabs right" etc.

Nothing will come out as legit, even politicians are laughing at the fact that America to consider a attack on Iran.

People ignore consipiracies due to the fact that they dont want it to be true or they simply think it to be false, but how does one claim it to be false when the media is saying so.

Comments like "Iran will be turned into a parking lot" are one of the most idiotic and non suprising comments to come from Americans. This has to be stopped with words not a fucking war your morons.

deprivation, i am so glad your a 12 year old child because i would feel sorry for your parents if thats how your brain works.

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juzfugen
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Everywhere

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
ya Iran is truly a terrorist country since they attack and kill innocent people around the world.

when will you yanks stop calling everyone terrorists ffs?


When they stop funding terror orginiazations you fucking moron
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/arti...fm?articleid=14
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed103105c.cfm
http://www.tkb.org/MorePatterns.jsp...Cd=IR&year=1994
I can go on but i hope you get the point

Educate yourself some and stop watching mass media, If you truely are interested in this I suggest reading
Lightning Out of Lebanon: Hezbollah Terrorists on American Soil by Tom Diaz and Barbara Newman it explains how The Iranian revolutionary guards trained the first terror groups of Hezbollah in the bekka valley. Iranian funding of this group in excess of $100 million a year and the many operations it has pulled off.

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Is it fair for Isreal to have them?please explaing why they should be allowed?for protection?why cant Iran have them for them same reason then?


First blame the Frnech, they are the ones who helped Israel develope nukes in the first place in the 50's and 60's. But to answer your question, Israel is surrounded by countries who constatly attack it, question her exsistance and has called for the complete annilation of the jewish race, and in this time Israel has been nuclear capable and has never onced threatend its neighbors with them even after being attacked.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
LoL at madman.pleeeease the media is trying to create another monster out of this president.Fact is 85% of the people support him and voted for him so are you saying 85% of the Iranian people are mad too?


Glad you made up some voting results, very credible...
This madman doesnt need any media help to verified as such, all he has to do is open his mouth
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20.../D8H02LUO7.html


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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
stupid shithole of a state called Texas.

Texas is actually a great place, but of coarse youve never been there but you think its a shithole..... Ignorance is bliss EHHHHH?

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you think Isreal wouldnt want to wipe of Iran off the map?just because you dont hear it doesnt mean they dont want to.


No I dont and neither does anyone who doesnt have a tinfoil hat sugically attached to their heads.
Iguess this is your assumption? you know what happens when you assume things... you make an ass


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Originally posted by hardcore trancer

The only agenda here is that Bush is trying to convince the world once again that they are trying to save the world and Iran is a threat to their fuckin freedom.I say Bush is the threat to the world not Iran.


Actually its the IAE and the UN leading this not the Bush administration but hey you wont admit that because that will throw a wrench into your agenda of lets bash Bush and the Americans.How about the fact that Iran sign the NNPT, but has been lying to the UN and the world about trying to develop its own nuclear weapons program.
I say youre a douchebag who hoped on the bandwagon because its too difficult for you to to asses all the availble information and make your own conclusions.

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shaolin_Z
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
these posts sound more scared and paranoid than any of my posts and others here if you ask me.

must suck to live like that.


You don't have very good intuition do you? I'm not scared... I'M PISSED OFF AS FUCK! And very sad at the state of affairs, both here and abroad. And very disgusted too.

Paranoid? Stating FACTS and drawing reasonable conclusions as to where it looks like where headed, based on the domestic political atmosphere and our foreign policy makes me paranoid? Why am I even wasting my breath on a f***ing neo con such as yourself... All you do is lie and put this country and the rest of the world in more danger.

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
alright. but don't make me get on the horn to Rumsfeld and have you snatched up and taken to GITMO


Yeah, that's very nice of you. I don't know if that was some sick attempt at a joke or an attempt at intimidation. If you were born a few decades ago, I can easily picture you as a f***ing nazi making sick tasteless jokes about Auschwitz.


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Q5echo
asymetrical scepticism



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
You don't have very good intuition do you? I'm not scared... I'M PISSED OFF AS FUCK!
you sure your not paranoid? my stance on Iran is at the bottom of page 5 of this thread. it's not an uncommon point of view. prolly shared by a few people on this board.

i do believe you may have some displaced anger here. just my opinion.


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Yeah, that's very nice of you. I don't know if that was some sick attempt at a joke or an attempt at intimidation. If you were born a few decades ago, I can easily picture you as a f***ing nazi making sick tasteless jokes about Auschwitz.


dude...c'mon, ease up. don't go all Opus on me.

i was actually born a few decades ago.

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you my friend are once again about to fall for another war of lies and propaganda how brainwashed can one be?

Riiiight.
I show an actual photograph of the man with an actual quote of what he said and all I get back is conjecture.
Wow. I'm convinced.
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The only agenda here is that Bush is trying to convince the world once again that they are trying to save the world and Iran is a threat to their fuckin freedom.I say Bush is the threat to the world not Iran.


And how is Bush involved in a "World Without Zionism again"?

Just say it, you hate both. It's ok, we'll understand; it's not a contest.
We'd believe that more than these "Oh yea? Well Bush is worse than everyone else arguements" you throw at us when Bush isn't even the subject.


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Lemonad
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: big ol Sydney

Thought this to be quite interesting

quote:


Stop fighting a fantasy war over Iran

Both the Bush administration and its critics are talking war with Iran because they are struck dumb by events in Iraq.
by Brendan O'Neill


If the current debate about Iran tells us anything, it is that the notion of a powerful Bush administration determined to plunder foreign nations in the name of Empire and oil is a myth created and sustained by Bush's critics.


President Bush and his secretary of state Condoleezza Rice have turned their attentions to Iran from a position of weakness and isolation, not strength. As the mess in Iraq got worse, and former supporters of the neoconservative agenda (including most recently Francis Fukuyama) jumped ship, Bush and his cronies raised the spectre of a possibly nuke-armed Iran threatening world peace in a last-ditch bid to recover some of their collapsing moral authority. And yet this desperate act of a desperate administration is now presented as evidence of a 'messianic' mission to bring Iran to its knees and impose American hegemony across the Middle East (1). Bush cynically invented a fantasy war with Iran to boost his standing; his critics indulged that fantasy and even inflamed it. It is time both sides re-entered the real world.


With newspaper headlines such as 'US plans strike to topple Iran regime', online magazines asking 'How crazy is the Bush administration?', and BBC Radio 4's Today programme leading its news with the words 'It's ten past eight - President Bush is making plans for a military attack on Iran', you could be forgiven for thinking that the US military had started gathering around Iran's borders, or at least that cast-iron plans for an invasion had been leaked or discovered. In fact, all of this week's stories stem from an investigation by Seymour Hersh for the New Yorker magazine, which claims that while the Bush administration says it will use diplomatic methods only to put pressure on Iran, in secret it is plotting war, maybe even nuclear war.


Yet if you read Hersh's piece you'll see that much of it is based on interviews with anonymous sources and seemingly disgruntled individuals who work, or formerly worked, in the Pentagon and US and European intelligence. As David Aaronovitch points out in The Times (London), Hersh's info came from, among others, 'a former senior intelligence official…one former defence official…one military planner…a discouraged former International Atomic Energy Agency official…one recently retired high-level Bush administration official.' (2) The individual who told Hersh that Bush has gone all 'messianic' in relation to Iran is an anonymous 'senior member of the House Appropriations Committee', which means he could be either Republican or Democrat. He said, 'The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision', and that has been repeated faithfully in numerous news reports around the world about Bush the wannabe messiah taking on the mad mullahs of Iran.


Does nobody remember one of the central lessons of the Iraqi WMD debacle - namely that relying on anonymous individuals for your information is a precarious business? We now doubt those faceless officials who told us Saddam was threatening the world order with 'weapons of mass murder' but we believe faceless officials who claim that Bush thinks he has some kind of God-given right to nuke Iran. The evidence for both of these claims is slight bordering on non-existent.


The Bush administration may well be planning some kind of action against Iran. It would be a spectacularly foolish thing to do, but then the Bushies' foreign policy is nothing if not unpredictable and unwieldy. But the claims that Bush is hellbent, as part of some bigger programme, on invading Iran gives coherence, meaning, even gravitas to his Iran policy (for want of a better word) where none exists. The reality of the Bush administration's current stance on Iran is almost the exact opposite of that fantasised over by its critics. It is not part of some grand project but rather is a kneejerk response to a deep crisis of political and moral authority; it is not shaped by any great vision, whether messianic or otherwise, but rather has been shaped by the failures and fallouts of the war on terror and the war on Iraq. In short, it is the incoherence of US foreign policy, not any cunning or ambition, that led them to turn on Iran.


If you trace how the US made Iran the big issue of international affairs over the past three or four years, you will see that it happened at times of crisis in the wars on terror and Iraq. The turning point came when President Bush denounced Iran as part of an 'axis of evil' in his State of the Union address in 2002 (the other two evil states being Iraq and North Korea). This was not the start of some carefully elaborated plot to pave the way for a future war - it was an on-the-hoof response to stalemate in the war on terror. The Americans had been fighting in Afghanistan for four months when Bush gave his speech, and while the Taliban had been easily toppled, the main targets of the war - Osama bin laden and Mullah Omar - had proved annoyingly elusive. US troops were getting bogged down in fruitless operations in the harsh Afghan mountains. Initially the war had won a fair amount of post-9/11 support, but by early 2002 it was becoming mired in controversy (3).


The overnight creation of an 'axis of evil' was an attempt to create a new terrible spectre against which America could posture itself. It was pretty much conjured out of thin air, and took both Iranians and leading US officials by surprise. In his contribution to the very good book Inventing the Axis of Evil, Ervand Abrahamian points out 'how arbitrary this trinity was…. Consensus held that three countries sounded better than two'. The sudden demonisation of Iran will have come like a 'bolt out of the blue sky…for the average Iranian', argues Abrahamian, who had seen 'relations between Iran and America gradually but markedly improve in the course of the previous five years'. And it was a bolt for some of Bush's own colleagues, too. As Abrahamian notes, 'Colin Powell [then secretary of state] and the State Department had not been consulted about the speech, neither about its general thrust nor about the inclusion of Iran'. State Department officials privately complained that the speech would 'undermine their long-standing policy of rapprochement with Iranian reformers' (4). Here we see that US foreign policy thinking is so incoherent today that it can actually undermine America's interests rather than advance or pursue them.


More recently, Bush officials have upped the ante on the Iran issue as the situation in Iraq has deteriorated. Their discovery of allegedly wicked intentions on the part of nuke-hungry Iranian President Mahmoud Admadinejad is in direct proportion to increasing crises in Iraq, where there are almost daily suicide bombings, a largely toothless and inconsequential government, and where even the trial of Saddam isn't going to plan (see Saddam's trial: playing the genocide card, by David Chandler). Bush officials prefer to talk up a fantasy battle with Iran rather than face up to, much less deal with, the consequences of their real battle in Iraq. With little to say about Iraq (apart from issuing the occasional statement that usually ends up causing further controversy) they talk endlessly about nukes and mullahs and Admadinejad instead.


Rather than challenge this fantasy talk, Bush's critics go along with it, and transform it into something it isn't. Some are even talking up the possibility of new world wars (or at least of Johnny Foreigner going crazy): 'If the US drops a nuke on Iran, it is possible that the Taliban-allied fundamentalists in Pakistan would rise up and overthrow Musharraf, thus gaining control of Pakistan's own arsenal of nuclear weapons. All of a sudden, those nukes would be loose, and India would lose its collective mind….' (5)


These critics imagine they are being radical, but they are playing the same game as the Bush administration itself. They, too, prefer to talk about Iran rather than Iraq, to oppose a fantasy version of the Bush administration over its fantasy plans to nuke Iran rather than get to grips with what is going on in Iraq and exploring why the 2003 invasion had such disturbing consequences there. On a recent anti-war demo in London I saw as many placards saying 'Don't attack Iran' as placards saying 'Troops out of Iraq'. Commentators and activists are opting for the simplistic stance of opposing an alleged wicked plot to nuke another Middle Eastern country because the Iraq aftermath seems too messy and complicated. Rather than stand up to the Bush administration and knock down its fantasies, they follow it around like poodles. Where Bush creates a fantasy 'evil' Iran to posture against, his opponents create a fantasy messianic White House to oppose. Nowhere is there a serious debate about contemporary US foreign policy and why it is a problem.


The fantasies of both sides are already having real consequences. The cynical transformation of Iran into an evil state seems to have nurtured a new sense of belligerence on the part of Iran's leaders, in particular Admadinejad. If you treat a state like a pariah, very often it will act like one (especially, I suspect, if you treat it like a pariah all of a sudden, after five years of trying to build up a relationship with it). And Admadinejad's boast yesterday that his state has succeeded in 'enriching uranium' for apparently peaceful purposes, and thus has joined 'the nuclear club', seemed to be a direct response to the shrill reports in the international press about messianic Bush's secret plot to unleash his own nukes on Iran. As both Bush and his opponents help to create a volatile situation in the Middle East, it's all an ugly reminder that moral posturing can itself be a dangerous business.

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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

^ propaganda. but most likely just rhetoric.

we are not invading Iran! get it through your thick anti-administration heads.

separate what is MSM/Internet media hype from what has been played out on the international stage.

these are the exact same scenario's that we went through in the cold war. only with an even more insane group of theocrats and a realtime, worldwide network of narcisists that cater to the paranoid.

remember, no one is better at talking down nations from the nuclear brink than my country. no one. i'm sorry, if that is too nationalistic or chauvanistic for your sensitive ears but it's true. deal.

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Cyrus King
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto

you guys are fools. This is all RHETORIC. NOTHING ELSE

He isnt going to bomb israel, he is an anti-semite and thats all.

You paranoid freaks are taking every little thing he says literally.

There are many racist quotes those zionists have said about remving the palestinian population, but that isnt sensationalized by western media, becuase tehre seems to be a group of people that control the media in the States and are somewhat sympathetic to Israel


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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

"heading toward annihilation,"

quote:
Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated
Apr 14 12:34 PM US/Eastern
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By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer


"permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation,"

"The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

October: "wiped off the map."

the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."


he may not ("they may not" i should say because he's just a puppet) realize what he is doing but to me he is polarizing the issue. he brings clarity IMO. the ambiguity of say, a decade or two decades ago, when Iran was this enigmatic shadow of cloaked extremism is gone. whats funny is the CIA has known all along how dangerous they were or how dangerous they wanted to be, but for one reason or another their hands were tied until now. now that Iran finds itself on the brink after years of clandestine efforts to go nuclear. now that they are on the international stage isolated the liberal, anti-war, anti-American, anti-semmitic rabble gets aroused listening to itself. it's weird.

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