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Psy-T
Melody Klein



Registered: Jan 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Phew, what a relief. I'd be going off half-cocked all the time and probably would've impregnated 500+ women by now!


[blind man]phew, what a relief. i'd be overexposed to the world![/blind man]

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Bottom line, I'm happy with my dick. It works flawlessly and gives me great pleasure. If you prefer yours with foreskin on or you are circumcised and feel bitterness about it for whatever reason, go getcha one of these puppies.



latex has nerve endings that are compatible with my body? it can also restore the functionality of my penis' glans? jeez, that's news to me - sign me up!


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TranceGiant
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This thread is too gay.


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Psy-T
Melody Klein



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quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
This thread is too gay.


This response is too homophobic.


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TranceGiant
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quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T


This smiley doesn't make postings any smarter.


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Melody Klein



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quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
This smiley doesn't make postings any smarter.


It's not supposed to, and btw, posts like those do a lot more to ruin a discussion (not to mention the mood of a forum) than to help it - if that's what you want to do, fuck off to the COR.


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quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
This smiley doesn't make postings any smarter.


nor does posting what you posted to start this exchange in the first place


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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
and i'd like a serious response from NeoPhono in regards to this:

1.A. If you lose a lot of youre penis' nerve endings
1.B. You will experience less pleasure from sexual acts


In all fairness, I'm not sure I completely agree with this premise. More nerve endings might = more sensitivity to touch, but pleasure is a cognitive experience that goes far beyond the simple sensation in a small area. Pleasure from having sex comes from many sources, including visual, emotional, touch and even (gasp) love. Just because the penis may be more sensitive to touch doesn't factually mean that the person will experience a greater level of pleasure.

Plus, if your dick is too sensitive to touch, it might mean that you don't get to experience the pleasures of going back in for another dip after you complete your first session.

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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Plus, if your dick is too sensitive to touch, it might mean that you don't get to experience the pleasures of going back in for another dip after you complete your first session.
or worse. you could be Asian

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quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
and i'd like a serious response from NeoPhono in regards to this:

1.A. If you lose a lot of youre penis' nerve endings
1.B. You will experience less pleasure from sexual acts



"Loss" of nerve endings does not necessarily translate into a loss of sensation, at least seuxally. When the tissue is removed at such an early age in development, there is more than enough time for the surviving nerves to make up for the lost ones in terms of sensation. The growing individual's nervous system is able to make up for a loss, albeit a small one, of any nerve tissue. And when I said "at least sexually" I am referring to the fact that sexual gratification occurs primarily at the level of the brain, namely the nucleus accumbens, more than at the site of arrousal (the penis). As long as the message gets from the penis to the brain stimulating sexual arrousal and then release, that's really all that is needed.

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2.A. If you wear your penis' glans (which is said to be the equivalant of a clitoris, wikipedia for one supports the hypothesis that the glans is homologous to the clitoral glans)
2.B. You will experience less pleasure from sexual acts

is this biased information?
is it false information?
are the B statements not the obvious results of the A condtions??

if not, and the circumcision procedure involves cutting off a part of the skin that has a lot of nerve endings aswell as seving to protect the penis' glans from wear (as many sources i've read state), then by pure healthy logic - you will experience less pleasure from sexual acts.


First, the clitoris is homologus to the penis, or more accurately the phallus. The glans penis is simply the distal end of the phallus. Removing the glans penis is not the same as removing the clitoris. You should also note the the glans penis is what the foreskin covers. The foreskin itself is not the glans penis. Cutting off the entire penis would the the same as removing the clitoris.

It should be noted that there are several forms of female circumcision. The most "mild" and probably most similar to male circumcision is called a "clitoral circumcision" and this is when the skin surrounding the clitoris is cut or removed, not the clitoris itself. This is done often in Western medicine when there is a natural descrease in clitoral sensitivity, when the patient has what is called a "hidden clitoris," or when the skin surrounding the clitoris does not allow it to be stimulated. In this case the circumcision is actually used to increase sensitivity.

On the opposite end of things, and where most people become upset, is when the clitoris, libia minora and libia majora are removed. This is called a "pharaonic circumcision." It's the one that gets all the attention from rights organizaitons. If you were to remove the homologous parts in a male, you would remove the penis, scrotum and part of the urethra.

I would hardly call that procedure equal to removing the foreskin.


And the reason I would equate male circumcision with vaccination/immunization is that it is a long-percieved health benefit that has come into question over the years with different groups saying that vaccinations can cause anything from sudden infant death syndrom to autism.


If you'd like the source for my diatribe above on the male and female genitalia, you can check out Langman's Medical Embryology, Ninth Edition. It was my text book Embryology this fall. Just as an FYI, not an "I'm greater than everyone else," I'm a Master's student in Anatomy.

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Thanks for all this info Neo. I probably would have never bothered to look it up or discuss any of it if it weren't for you two (NeoPhono & Psy-T).


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quote:
Originally posted by NeoPhono
"Loss" of nerve endings does not necessarily translate into a loss of sensation, at least seuxally. When the tissue is removed at such an early age in development, there is more than enough time for the surviving nerves to make up for the lost ones in terms of sensation. The growing individual's nervous system is able to make up for a loss, albeit a small one, of any nerve tissue. And when I said "at least sexually" I am referring to the fact that sexual gratification occurs primarily at the level of the brain, namely the nucleus accumbens, more than at the site of arrousal (the penis). As long as the message gets from the penis to the brain stimulating sexual arrousal and then release, that's really all that is needed.



First, the clitoris is homologus to the penis, or more accurately the phallus. The glans penis is simply the distal end of the phallus. Removing the glans penis is not the same as removing the clitoris. You should also note the the glans penis is what the foreskin covers. The foreskin itself is not the glans penis. Cutting off the entire penis would the the same as removing the clitoris.


thank you, finally i got a 'pro' circumcision arguement that referrs to it's effects on sensation rather than various infections, one that even gives me some credit in understanding logic rather than just telling me 'this and that are biased'.

please do elaborate on the glans penis: does it not 'wear' and dry without the protection of the foreskin? if it does - does it not lose some of it's functionality (supposing it's functionality is to transfer more sensation signals to the brain among other things)?


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quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
thank you, finally i got a 'pro' circumcision arguement that referrs to it's effects on sensation rather than various infections, one that even gives me some credit in understanding logic rather than just telling me 'this and that are biased'.

please do elaborate on the glans penis: does it not 'wear' and dry without the protection of the foreskin? if it does - does it not lose some of it's functionality (supposing it's functionality is to transfer more sensation signals to the brain among other things)?


The glans penis is similar to the other sensitive areas of skin around the body such as the back of the hand or face. It is made up of a tissue called "stratified squamous keratinized epithelium." Really the only important part of that label is the "keratinized" part. What that means, is that as the skin tissue grows, it becomes filled with keratin and dies. It forms a protective covering over the living tissue that prevents damage and the loss of fluids.

I have read some very misleading websites that state that the glans penis of an uncircumsized individual is either non-keratinized or becomes more keratinized after circumcision. This is not the case. An example of non-keratinzed squamous epithelium is the lining of the esophagus. That type of tissue is not suitable to be exposed to the outside environment, especially during the friction and trauma it would eno****er if it did cover the glans penis (during sex).

All this being said, the glans penis is a sensitve area. Back in the day when humans went without clothing, I can definitely see a place for the foreskin. I can't imagine running or jumping or constantly exposing the glans penis to the outside environment without a foreskin covering. However, in modern times, this doesn't tend to be (usually) the case.

As far as sensation goes during sex, it is important to differentiate the pleasure sensation of sex with other sensations such as pain. With pain, the more nerve receptors you excite, and the degree in which you excite them, causes a change in your pain perception. If I slap your face, it will hurt. If I hit you in the face with a brick, it will hurt a lot more. With sex, you can be stimulated to a certain point, orgasm, at which time more excitation will not bring about an increased response. (You could even say prolonged stimulation would bring about the opposite effect as the area becomes hyper-sensitive) As long as the glans penis (as well as other sources) has the ability to illicit an orgasm, I'm not exactly sure what adding extra nerve endings would gain. I guess you could argue that maybe you would reach orgasm faster, but I would suggest that after circumcision the brain is able to componsate for the loss of neurons and that difference in time would be negligable.

One day, if I have a son, I will have him circumsized for a variety of reasons. Others will not have their sons circumcized for their own reasons. In the end it's a personal decision. I just don't think it should be outlawed or banned.

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