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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Lol. Dude, you're being overly catious here.

f u i was totally offended there.

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Originally posted by fayraree f u i was totally offended there.

buy yea a beer?

(that's an acceptable Canadian bribe eh?)

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Originally posted by fayraree f u i was totally offended there.

Comparing us to those degenrate flying beasts!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Comparing us to those degenrate flying beasts!

damnit...you want a beer too!?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Sorry, can't have conclusions when all I had were questions/opinions...which I had to answer myself... Anyways, there never was conclusions on my half, just suggestions and opinions based on my own experiences (which I disclaimered). So to be 'boggled' with my "CONCLUSION" where there were none is also, quite mind-boggling.

What the fuck are you on about? Funny, I thought making observations, forming an opinion, and stating it as a fact was drawing a conclusion. Apparently you need a little help from Dictionary.com

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conclusion

con·clu·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-klzhn)
noun

1. The close or last part; the end or finish.
2. The result or outcome of an act or process.
3. A judgment or decision reached after deliberation. See Synonyms at decision.
4. A final arrangement or settlement, as of a treaty.

Abbr. con. Law. The close of a plea or deed.
Logic.
The proposition that must follow from the major and minor premises in a syllogism.

The proposition concluded from one or more premises; a deduction

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r All I suggested was that the Muslim community risked isolating themselves with silence and this arguement was shared by a few bloggers that I tripped even after I posted.

No, what you suggested was that the Mulsim community was purposefully distant from the rest of society.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I have nothing against any Muslims, in fact have a few muslim friends and co-workers, but their community seems to want to ostrasize themselves from the greater community whole.

When I pointed out this is the nature for every sub-culture in the greater society, you insinuated that they were doing so because they wanted to live under Sharia law or potentially commit violence.

Not to mention you concluded that this "distant" behaviour you'd observed, and their following of their beliefs and culture was aimed @ breeding contention (discontent?) .You were kind enough to point out that you didn't beleive all Muslims wanted this, but were basically saying the majority do. (afterall, the Muslim community was the issue @ hand)

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r True, but all those other communities aren't segregating themselves because of their actions of potential violence or wanting to live under the thumb of Sharia Law either HERE in the West. That's not to say that the whole Muslim community wants that, but they seem to breed a lot of contention in some aspects. I'm all for a mixed culture, that's why I love Toronto so much, however let's not adversely affect the others around you either.

Then, there was the second aspect of the discussion, regarding pro-activeness in the Muslim community.

I told you it was there, you said it wasn't. Then, you proclaim you're right by quoting an article about community leaders being proactive and saying "we need to do more". Hey, the NEED to be involved wasn't the debate, whether or not they WERE involved was. I said they were, you said they weren't. Thanks for proving my point.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Anyways, this is now getting into splitting hairs based on a question already answered. I can only hope that our next 'debate' isn't based on any assumptions on my behalf because believe me, if I have something other than a disclaimered opinion, I'll put it in big, bold letters next time for those that think they can read between lines...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r These aren't assumptions though. These are just my experiences with the whole situation.

Well, which is it... assumptions, opinions, facts?? You continually run in circles rather than admit that you were wrong, trying to cop out. I told you you were making unfair judgements based on little to no data.

The opinion wasn't as much the issue, as when I challenged it, you defended it with conjecture and presented it as fact. I truly hope next time you decide to enter a debate, you don't try to argue personally drawn conclusions without a shred of fact to back it up.

Opinions ARE personal conclusions. If you want to state them in an open manner, fine, we are all welcome to. Yet if you are going to contend that they are fact, be prepared to have them challenged.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck What the fuck are you on about? Funny, I thought making observations, forming an opinion, and stating it as a fact was drawing a conclusion. Apparently you need a little help from Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conclusion con·clu·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-klzhn) noun 1. The close or last part; the end or finish. 2. The result or outcome of an act or process. 3. A judgment or decision reached after deliberation. See Synonyms at decision. 4. A final arrangement or settlement, as of a treaty. Abbr. con. Law. The close of a plea or deed. Logic. The proposition that must follow from the major and minor premises in a syllogism. The proposition concluded from one or more premises; a deduction No, what you suggested was that the Mulsim community was purposefully distant from the rest of society. When I pointed out this is the nature for every sub-culture in the greater society, you insinuated that they were doing so because they wanted to live under Sharia law or potentially commit violence. Not to mention you concluded that this "distant" behaviour you'd observed, and their following of their beliefs and culture was aimed @ breeding contention (discontent?) .You were kind enough to point out that you didn't beleive all Muslims wanted this, but were basically saying the majority do. (afterall, the Muslim community was the issue @ hand) Then, there was the second aspect of the discussion, regarding pro-activeness in the Muslim community. I told you it was there, you said it wasn't. Then, you proclaim you're right by quoting an article about community leaders being proactive and saying "we need to do more". Hey, the NEED to be involved wasn't the debate, whether or not they WERE involved was. I said they were, you said they weren't. Thanks for proving my point. Well, which is it... assumptions, opinions, facts?? You continually run in circles rather than admit that you were wrong, trying to cop out. I told you you were making unfair judgements based on little to no data. The opinion wasn't as much the issue, as when I challenged it, you defended it with conjecture and presented it as fact. I truly hope next time you decide to enter a debate, you don't try to argue personally drawn conclusions without a shred of fact to back it up. Opinions ARE personal conclusions. If you want to state them in an open manner, fine, we are all welcome to. Yet if you are going to contend that they are fact, be prepared to have them challenged.

Wow, that's quite the tirade lol.
Yes, things are up for debate here, welcome to the Politcal forum.
I've already said that my opinions were based on my personal experience; shoot me.
However that doesn't preclude me from learning or questioning either.
Normally when people ask questions, they're looking for answers not conjecture on the questions being asked.
It's alright man, it's over.
I got my answer.
Go have a beer or somethin'

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."