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Originally posted by josh4 oh whatever, that was overrated too. in the past few months there have been festivals and parades practically every other weekend and its been great to have things like that especially with such frequency, but they're all overrated. most of them are nothing but an excuse for commercialism

Thanks for answering the question.

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Originally posted by idoru Thanks for answering the question.

yes i went

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Originally posted by josh4 Not what everyone whos been here a while has told me. Its always been a dirty city but it used to be a great party city as well.

Bro, Ive lived in the bay area since I was born (except the last 3 years). You need to get out more. Just because it isn't packed to full capacity doesn't mean you cant have fun. Im not sure what you mean about nightlife but you can definitely have a good time in SF. Its probably one of the most relax places to have a good time.

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Originally posted by josh4 i do take the time to go out and i'm not impressed. yes the city is good, but its not spectacular and it certainly has nothing on cities like LA, NYC, or Miami. the stories i hear about from the dotcom era are crazy but when the bubble burst the law enforcement cracked down on the nightlife, hard, too hard. its less than it was before the dotcoms came to town. its making a comeback to which i give you a ... call me when it isnt "coming" back but when its back one thing it does do well is create a sense of community, people fall in love with it and will defend the city to their death which usually causes them to overlook or not admit the shortfalls. its that smug pride everyone talks about all cities are filthy, LA is filthy, NYC is filthy and SF is no exception. its a city, its dirty oh whatever, that was overrated too. in the past few months there have been festivals and parades practically every other weekend and its been great to have things like that especially with such frequency, but they're all overrated. most of them are nothing but an excuse for commercialism

please give me experiential and personal examples instead of regurgitating what some nitwit told you in the break room. what clubs, bars and lounges have you been to? which djs have you seen? how is la's night life any better than sf's? have you clubbed in nyc before? your post is full of ignorance, you haven't been here long enough to say half the shit you're saying. excuse for commercialism my fucking ass, why don't you move away already?

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Originally posted by L.E.N. Bro, Ive lived in the bay area since I was born (except the last 3 years). You need to get out more. Just because it isn't packed to full capacity doesn't mean you cant have fun. Im not sure what you mean about nightlife but you can definitely have a good time in SF. Its probably one of the most relax places to have a good time.

Again, I do go out and I've been to all the hot spots around the city with frequency. What I'm encountering in this thread are the die hard locals that will defend the city at any cost.

Its good. I'm enjoying my time here.

But. its. not. great.

You'd also be the 3rd true local I've encountered since I came to the city. No one is actually from San Francisco. Everybody is a transplant, its strange.

Anyway, having only spent 3 years away from home, I'd encourage you to get out more. Maybe after spending some time in other cities you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by josh4 Again, I do go out and I've been to all the hot spots around the city with frequency. What I'm encountering in this thread are the die hard locals that will defend the city at any cost. Its good. I'm enjoying my time here. But. its. not. great. You'd also be the 3rd true local I've encountered since I came to the city. No one is actually from San Francisco. Everybody is a transplant, its strange. Anyway, having only spent 3 years away from home, I'd encourage you to get out more. Maybe after spending some time in other cities you'll see what I'm talking about.

and what are these hot spots? please list them.

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Originally posted by lex400sc and what are these hot spots? please list them.

the castro.

that's there josh4 lives.

and that's the part of town that gave the rest of san fran the bad rep for being a gay city

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Originally posted by lex400sc please give me experiential and personal examples instead of regurgitating what some nitwit told you in the break room. what clubs, bars and lounges have you been to? which djs have you seen? how is la's night life any better than sf's? have you clubbed in nyc before? your post is full of ignorance, you haven't been here long enough to say half the shit you're saying. excuse for commercialism my fucking ass, why don't you move away already?

As much as I'd love to take your bait to argue into 5 pages that lead no where, I have to say no. My opinion is my own but I don't need to validate it to you. Living in the DC area yes I traveled to NYC often and had friends there. I'm also going to pretend you didn't just suggest San Francisco's night life can hold a candle to LOS ANGELES.

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Originally posted by enferno the castro. that's there josh4 lives. and that's the part of town that gave the rest of san fran the bad rep for being a gay city

Apparently you haven't noticed the rainbow flags that line market st or the pro gay judges and gay city officials SF elects into office. Enferno, it IS a gay city.

josh4 thinks because he sees a heineken float and a beatport blimp at lovefest, everything is an excuse to commercialize. what this stupid tool is ignorant of is all the city permits and insurance the organizers have to buy in order to throw the event. what he doesn't know is that lovefest is a not-for-profit organization that feeds money back into the community and makes no profit off the parade. what josh4 doesn't know because he just moved here is that lovefest cost the organizers $280,000 last year and only 230 of it was recovered from donations for a loss of $50,000, even after sponsorships. and what josh4 also doesn't know is that none of the performers in the parade were paid any money. all of the djs were given free plane tickets to sf to come spin for free. but of course, josh4 can say with confidence that these festivals and parades are just here to commercialize

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Originally posted by josh4 As much as I'd love to take your bait to argue into 5 pages that lead no where, I have to say no. My opinion is my own but I don't need to validate it to you. Living in the DC area yes I traveled to NYC often and had friends there. I'm also going to pretend you didn't just suggest San Francisco's night life can hold a candle to LOS ANGELES

lol you're such an idiot. unlike you i make trips down to los angeles several times a year to some of their biggest club events so i can actually validate what i say. you on the other hand just make claims based on your lack of experience and believe them to be true.

so maybe you won't answer some simple straightforward questions i asked, like where have you clubbed or who have you seen dj, probably because you can't, but can you at least tell me on what basis you're making your comparisons between sf and la's night life?

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Originally posted by josh4 Again, I do go out and I've been to all the hot spots around the city with frequency. What I'm encountering in this thread are the die hard locals that will defend the city at any cost. Its good. I'm enjoying my time here. But. its. not. great. You'd also be the 3rd true local I've encountered since I came to the city. No one is actually from San Francisco. Everybody is a transplant, its strange. Anyway, having only spent 3 years away from home, I'd encourage you to get out more. Maybe after spending some time in other cities you'll see what I'm talking about.

Im not a "diehard". ( I do love the city Im from ) Its the same at most huge citys. Homeless,graffiti,drug addicts etc.Its just the way it is.....

You say "hotspots" like its something you found on the internet....find a group of people you have something in common with.

About "encouraging me getting out to other citys"..Ive been in LA for the last 3 years...its simailar. Almost all are transplants, just more of a fake attitude with the whole "Hollywood" aspect. Ive met plenty of great people so its not all like that, but for the most part, people will act like they care here....where as in SF, Ive met people that DO care.

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Originally posted by lex400sc lol you're such an idiot. unlike you i make trips down to los angeles several times a year to some of their biggest club events so i can actually validate what i say. you on the other hand just make claims based on your lack of experience and believe them to be true.

I would really like you to make a thread in the Cali forum compairing SF nightlife to LA nightlife and see where it goes.

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Originally posted by L.E.N. About "encouraging me getting out to other citys"..Ive been in LA for the last 3 years...its simailar. Almost all are transplants, just more of a fake attitude with the whole "Hollywood" aspect. Ive met plenty of great people so its not all like that, but for the most part, people will act like they care here....where as in SF, Ive met people that DO care.

LA is still California which is not exactly that much different. Though southern and northern cali are like two different states. Not surprisingly, being from SF yourself, you're placing the locals here on a pedestal as if they're better because they "care." Next you'll be talking about the importance of driving hybrid cars.