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Originally posted by PETRAN Well, Massive Attack are trip-hop (and hence no EDM, it doesn't matter that you find them in the "Dance" section in HMV...they are NOT edm

this is exactly why i hate the term EDM.

Trip Hop is a genre of Electronica.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Well, Massive Attack are trip-hop (and hence no EDM, it doesn't matter that you find them in the "Dance" section in HMV...they are NOT edm,well i can't dance to them no matter how hard i try) and ofcourse...New Order are NO EDM , but a great synth-pop/new-wave band from the 80s which formed when the even greater Joy Division broke. They have the classic 80s synth-pop vocals, hence they work quite well. It's a crime to put New Order next to BLOODY prodigy , Shamen (Shame!), Fatboy Slim and Faithless...lol.

Oh do fuck off. New Order have been remixed to utter death- they brought out an excellent LP of their remixes from the early 90s. I notice that Bernard Summer's vocals work just as well when they've been remixed as in their original form. And if you're going to deny Blue Monday a place as a crucial piece of dance music history... I'm baffled. The best selling 12" in history and utterly played out in clubs from the 80s to today.

Massive Attack are more downtempo, but it's not impossible to dance to trip-hop.

But mainly, I don't care if you like New Order more than Faithless- keep your fucking opinion out of objective discussion. Frankly I think Faithless are better than New Order, especially on the lyrical and production levels. And if you're going to ignore The Shamen's accomplishments before Mr C came in... more's the folly. But what you deem to be good or not doesn't change that they are all major names who've used male vocals well in dance music.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean this is exactly why i hate the term EDM. Trip Hop is a genre of Electronica.

I hate "electronica" just as much. Massive Attack were around long before American journalists coined that buzzword. Trip-hop is a British sub-genre of hip-hop.

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I, FOR ONE LOVE MALE VOX WITH CLUB TRACKS!!!

Into female vox but, only if it's like SARAH MCLACHLIN, SUNSCREEM, KRISTY HAWKSHAW, etc. I AM SO SICK OF SCREAMIN' DIVAS!!

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5. DIRTY VEGAS
"Ghosts" (Lexicon Vocal Mix)

4. BT
"Force Of Gravity"

3. ABOVE AND BEYOND
"Alone Tonight"

2. PVD/WAYNE JACKSON
"The Other Side"

#1. ARMIN VAN BUUREN/RAY WILSON
"Yet Another Day"]

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh do fuck off. New Order have been remixed to utter death- they brought out an excellent LP of their remixes from the early 90s. I notice that Bernard Summer's vocals work just as well when they've been remixed as in their original form. And if you're going to deny Blue Monday a place as a crucial piece of dance music history... I'm baffled. The best selling 12" in history and utterly played out in clubs from the 80s to today.

1) Watch your mouth.


2) The fact that one tune is remixed to death by EDM artists doesn't make new order an EDM group. EDM was a 90s umbrella term, whereas new order were there from the 80s(their first album after joy division broke was from 1981 FGS.)

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Massive Attack are more downtempo, but it's not impossible to dance to trip-hop.

Whatever, Massive Attack is no EDM. As you said "trip-hop" is a sub-genre of "hip-hop". (Although i would say it's a completely different genre)

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But mainly, I don't care if you like New Order more than Faithless- keep your fucking opinion out of objective discussion. Frankly I think Faithless are better than New Order, especially on the lyrical and production levels. And if you're going to ignore The Shamen's accomplishments before Mr C came in... more's the folly. But what you deem to be good or not doesn't change that they are all major names who've used male vocals well in dance music.

3)Watch your mouth again..."keep your "fucking opinion" doesn't sound nice...

4) Yes, but when i mention new order i don't mean just their bloody hit-"blue monday". I mean whole albums of amazing new-wave music like "movement"(a dark 1981 album..."dreams never end"), "power,corruption and lies" and "low-life". THESE were the great albums, not just a bloody top-ten hit like blue monday (or insomnia or drifting away for that matter). These albums had the atmosphere, reverbed guitars, triballistic drums (the type of joy division ones), amazing synth-lines...New Order were legendary, they were up there with Depeche Mode in the 80s. They are in a different scene alltogether...

but anyway...that's just my "fucking" opinion...you don't have to get fucking enraged or anything for fucks sake.Fuck.

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Originally posted by PETRAN 2) The fact that one tune is remixed to death by EDM artists doesn't make new order an EDM group. EDM was a 90s umbrella term, whereas new order were there from the 80s(their first album after joy division broke was from 1981 FGS.)

Who said anything about "one tune"? Half their discography has been remixed. Furthermore, I didn't say they were explicitely EDM- I said New Order's vocals work in an EDM context, IE: the dance remixes. And then Detroit techno is from the early 80s too. Are you going to deny it's Electronic Dance Music?

Oh fuck it. Typically PETRAN bullshit. You can't actually argue my post- you have to reinterpret it to something completely different and then argue with that. Are you going to deny my point- that male vocals have been used successfully in dance music, or are you just going to ejaculate superlatives over New Order?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J But mainly, I don't care if you like New Order more than Faithless- keep your fucking opinion out of objective discussion. Frankly I think Faithless are better than New Order, especially on the lyrical and production levels.

you dont really like maxi's vocals do you? the actually written material is great but i think once he opens his mouth a good track becomes sour.

all the faithless mixes that imo are by far the best are the ones without the vocals. on the euphoria cds a few years back, one was euphoria 'transendental' the first song which was faithless was great without the vocals.

i think their productions are much better without him.

i also think new order are great and would be classified as edm. they were one of the main electronica groups pushing the genre forward.

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I'm not even talking about Maxi Jazz, although I love his delivery. They've featured sung male vocals on three of their four albums. Jamie Catto featured extensively on the first two, and LSK on the last one.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Whatever, Massive Attack is no EDM. As you said "trip-hop" is a sub-genre of "hip-hop". (Although i would say it's a completely different genre)

Hip-hop is EDM, and so is trip-hop.

I can't even be bothered to start that argument with him.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I can't even be bothered to start that argument with him.

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Originally posted by GrimReaper Schiller - Ruhe (Ayla Remix)

+ 1 ... i don't like male vocals, but this sounds ok.

Edit: Moby - Porcelain the vocals are ok too i like.

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Last edited by Arraias on Nov-12-2006 at 18:30