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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On When did they say that?

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-5554.ZO.html

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Hiibel argues that his conviction cannot stand because the officer’s conduct violated his Fourth Amendment rights. We disagree. Asking questions is an essential part of police investigations. In the ordinary course a police officer is free to ask a person for identification without implicating the Fourth Amendment. “[I]nterrogation relating to one’s identity or a request for identification by the police does not, by itself, constitute a Fourth Amendment seizure.” INS v. Delgado, 466 U.S. 210, 216 (1984). Beginning with Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the Court has recognized that a law enforcement officer’s reasonable suspicion that a person may be involved in criminal activity permits the officer to stop the person for a brief time and take additional steps to investigate further. Delgado, supra, at 216; United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 881 (1975). To ensure that the resulting seizure is constitutionally reasonable, a Terry stop must be limited. The officer’s action must be “ ‘justified at its inception, and … reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place.’ ” United States v. Sharpe, 470 U.S. 675, 682 (1985) (quoting Terry, supra, at 20). For example, the seizure cannot continue for an excessive period of time, see United States v. Place, 462 U.S. 696, 709 (1983), or resemble a traditional arrest, see Dunaway v. New York, 442 U.S. 200, 212 (1979). Our decisions make clear that questions concerning a suspect’s identity are a routine and accepted part of many Terry stops. See United States v. Hensley, 469 U.S. 221, 229 (1985) (“[T]he ability to briefly stop [a suspect], ask questions, or check identification in the absence of probable cause promotes the strong government interest in solving crimes and bringing offenders to justice”); Hayes v. Florida, 470 U.S. 811, 816 (1985) (“[I]f there are articulable facts supporting a reasonable suspicion that a person has committed a criminal offense, that person may be stopped in order to identify him, to question him briefly, or to detain him briefly while attempting to obtain additional information”); Adams v. Williams, 407 U.S. 143, 146 (1972) (“A brief stop of a suspicious individual, in order to determine his identity or to maintain the status quo momentarily while obtaining more information, may be most reasonable in light of the facts known to the officer at the time”). Obtaining a suspect’s name in the course of a Terry stop serves important government interests. Knowledge of identity may inform an officer that a suspect is wanted for another offense, or has a record of violence or mental disorder. On the other hand, knowing identity may help clear a suspect and allow the police to concentrate their efforts elsewhere. Identity may prove particularly important in cases such as this, where the police are investigating what appears to be a domestic assault. Officers called to investigate domestic disputes need to know whom they are dealing with in order to assess the situation, the threat to their own safety, and possible danger to the potential victim.

Last edited by Orbital32 on Nov-17-2006 at 01:04

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Originally posted by Orbital32 http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-5554.ZO.html

Doesn't look like there were any documented cases in there where the police ended up seizing somebody in a school and electrocuting him into submission.

You're right though, the supreme court did say it's ok for police to stop somebody and ask for identification. "Additional steps to investigate further" means this though?

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Well, here what is known:

1. he was asked to leave prior since he did not show a valid ID.

2. When the cops came back he was still there, but apparently on his way out.

now here is the determination if force was necessary: When the cops grabbed his arm (which they are allowed to do) the reaction of the student. If he resisted, then use they are authorzed to use force.

That's fucked up. I felt very sad watching that video.


I am surprised that Police are allowed to taser a guy just to get him to leave a library - he was unarmed and not really aggressive or violent towards them as far as I could tell. If they truly wanted to evict him from the library, why couldn't they just handcuff him and lead him out of there, old-school style?

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Originally posted by Orbital32 Its funny how everybody is a lawyer when they see something bad happen. So he got tazed, Its not like he paralyzed for years.. the effect wears off rather quickly...within seconds. Oh and the supreme court has ruled that refusing to so a peace officer ID is ground to bring a person in.

more like everybody - or at least the wise ones - are individuals when they see something like this, rather than a society, obviously, this must be supressed .

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Originally posted by Orbital32 the video is not clear show it doesn't show that force was being abused. He could not follow simple orders of "Stand Up" I'm sure the cops were aware of the other students around, i'm sure they followed procedure. Now if students don't know what that procdeure is, well its not the cops job to tell them. If the students want to find out...the hard way. I'm sure the cops will be happy to do it. I hate how people diss cops, just because of the "injustice" on youtube. If that footage was on "Coolest Cops Takedown EVER!!" (i made that up) then it will all GREAT!

i hope you'll enjoy your dystopia.

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Originally posted by A.J. That's fucked up. I felt very sad watching that video. I am surprised that Police are allowed to taser a guy just to get him to leave a library - he was unarmed and not really aggressive or violent towards them as far as I could tell. If they truly wanted to evict him from the library, why couldn't they just handcuff him and lead him out of there, old-school style?

How could you tell? Most of the video was just sounds! The shot of the student and the police were mostly blocked!

this is gayer than elton john, lance bass and san francisco all wrapped up in a bag of AIDS

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Originally posted by Psy-T more like everybody - or at least the wise ones - are individuals when they see something like this, rather than a society, obviously, this must be supressed . i hope you'll enjoy your dystopia.

No, actually it quite the opposite. Its funny how people think they are above the law just because they are special. If this person was walking out quietly then got tazed thats one thing (even after they grabbed his arm.) If this guys started tripping out when they attempted to escort him out that's another. If a person standing by attempts to appoarch an officer while making an arrest, THE OFFICER DOES NOT KNOW THE INTENTIONS OF THE INDIVIDUAL! They should give a verbal order to back away, if the person fails to comply then game on.

Now if its true that an officer stated to a student that they will taze her if they ask for his badge number, then that is a vaild complaint.

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Originally posted by Googooly these things ONLY happen in america, their fucking police are wild like animals. they have no resect for people. proper fucking assholes.

It happens all over the world. And those are college police not city or state police, they have no government affiliation.

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Originally posted by Googooly hell with them all.

Till you need them

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I lol'd.

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Originally posted by kid nyce let me stand infront of you with a tazer and a red laser dot on your forehead and you rush me and we see who wins tough words from behind the keyboard

If I get hit, so be it. There will be at least 15 others who'll have my back if they see someone take charge.

Tough words from behind a keyboard, hahaha...