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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not a pussy like you, yes I would have. If some poor fuck is being tasered, I wouldn't just stand around and watch.

While I'd really like to see that, I wouldn't. You don't seem to be a bad guy, and if anyone else would have reacted like you claim you would have, their ass would have been quivering right next to the guy in the video (or worse).

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy While I'd really like to see that, I wouldn't. You don't seem to be a bad guy, and if anyone else would have reacted like you claim you would have, their ass would have been quivering right next to the guy in the video (or worse).

I don't see how taking on a cop is something bad (given the fact that the cop is a corrput asshole or abuses his power).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I don't see how taking on a cop is something bad (given the fact that the cop is a corrput asshole or abuses his power).

Because you'd get shot, that's why it's bad.

Intelligent people sue.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Because you'd get shot, that's why it's bad. Intelligent people sue.

And cowards sit around while they see injustice taking place right in front of them.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And cowards sit around while they see injustice taking place right in front of them.

For me to intevene and risk my life for someone else, I'd better know them pretty damn well.

Honestly, I hope if you ever find yourself in a situation like those kids did, you don't act like you say you would, for your own sake. A living coward can do more in the future to rectify the situation than a someone who was courageous, but now dead. And just remember, there were at least 4 cops there, all of which are trained to deal with dangerous criminals. You probably wouldn't do so well.

Sometimes it's better to lose the battle in an effort to win the war in the future.

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Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
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We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by TheDemon Oh pls, everybody knows that after 9/11 muslims have been treated very unfairly on many occasions.

I don't disagree, but I cannot possibly see with any verifiable evidence from the tape or newspapers that these officers acted in accordance to racial prejudice. And since you just tied 9/11 to this, can you somehow demonstrate that these cops acted accordingly as a consequence to 9/11?

And you accuse me of reading minds?

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If you can prove me wrong, then go ahead.

When a person makes a claim or in this case an accusation, the burden is therefore upon that person to support that claim or accusation.

It was not me who made a claim of racial profiling - that was you, sir. Therefore the burden is on you to demonstrate any evidence provided on that tape that supports your accusation.

We are still waiting for that, sir.

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but the guy got tazed 5 times. It was uncalled for. so the questions remains, if the cops knew that sort of actions was uncalled for, why did they do it? can you show me that? why?

If you notice my posts, I have asked the exact same question. However unlike yourself, I do not make any unfounded accusations about that officer's supposed racism because there is nothing to support that. I simply go upon the evidence presented thus far, and at this point it looks to me like this officer utilized bad judgement with his taser and felt that the taser was an end-all be-all means of quelling the situation (when in fact it only made it worse). Stating anything else outside of this is nothing but idle speculation. Here's an example:

Can you demonstrate that he wasn't tasing the kid because deep down he believes in aliens and thinks this kid is some outerspace monster? Because thus far, we know about as much about this officer to state such an accusation as we do that he had racial inclinations to do the exact same action.

Do we know anything about his behavior? He very well may have a record of overzealous tactics that have no ties to racism at all. Or he may have no record at all of such behaviors. Or he may like ice cream with frosted cow turds in the middle. My point is we know nothing about him at all, and therefore must reserve such accusations about his behavior until we have more evidence. If there is any background behavior of racial profiling, I will happily concede your point. Until then such accusations are unfounded.

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I mean even a trained fucking monkey would know that tazering someone that many times is very excessive and dengerous. but they did it. And if the cops actions were justified, why is the UCLA starting an investigation? why didn't the cops rls their badge numbers? Why did they threaten to shoot others if they kept asking them for their badge number? Why all the negative comments if the cops did "the right thing"? pls explain.

You really need to go back and read my posts before stating anything further. These are the exact same questions I am asking. What seemingly differentiates your view with mine is that I have not seen any evidence to make a conclusion of racism being inolved, nor have you presented anything to support such an accusation thus far. I will withhold such conclusions until I see direct evidence of such an attitude creating that behavior.

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You're very naive Opus. No, I'm not claiming that without a doubt the cop was racist or his actions were motivated by it. But the fact that they were "randomly" checking IDs where most people "randomly" turn out to be Middle Eastern/Muslim looking is reason enough to say that it was motivated by bigotry and is infact profiling.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Sorry if I misperceived, but you do seem to side with the Arab/Muslim side most of the time and TheDemon brought it up and you two seem to be working in tandem on this one. You did kind of take that out of context, since the "you guys" part didn't really have to do with the Arab part in that last statement, which is why they're separate paragraphs.

If white/black/red/east asian people were victims of US foreighn policy the same way Arabs/Muslims were, I'd be "taking their side" too, ok?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You're very naive Opus. No, I'm not claiming that without a doubt the cop was racist or his actions were motivated by it. But the fact that they were "randomly" checking IDs where most people "randomly" turn out to be Middle Eastern/Muslim looking is reason enough to say that it was motivated by bigotry and is infact profiling.

Just so that I don't misunderstand you - are you referring to the students whom were working as security initially asking for the student's ID, or are you referring to the officers who followed later? Because I have not been arguing for the former (the security students who have no real authority), and have not commented on that so far. The officers, however, were there as a result of building security students who called them in. So it would be erroneous to conclude any profiling was made by the officers - they were called in specifically on the kid without the ID. Is there any evidence on these officers to the contrary?

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...