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Originally posted by Frase

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Originally posted by arek jayx you're recording an album?

hahahaha.....

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What about those who don't play live? Gee... ummm... there is more than one way to make revenue as a non touring artist?

Merchandise. Sponsorship. Publishing royalties.

You people don't seem to really know the record industry to begin with. Record sales have NOT BEEN A MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR MOST ARTISTS FOR A DECADE. I'm not saying this as some outsider downloading cowboy. I'm saying this as a SIGNED, PUBLISHED artist who has both a Platinum and Gold record here in Canada. 1 dollar per CD (At the most) has never fattened artists wallets. Its ALWAYS been publishing royalties, tour revenue, and sponsorship.

What I'm telling you is that ARTISTS need to re-examine the way they look at their revenue structure.

Their music is ADVERTISING, drawing people to their BRAND IMAGE. Now, how many businesses would KILL to have people downloading their advertisements at the hundreds of thousands? Artists need to look at themselves as corporations, and lets face it - if you are looking for a living in the music industry, thats exactly what you are.

Give away a CD for free, and people will divert funds towards more tangible goods - T-shirts, Posters, Online Journal Subscriptions. Not to mention, the more people who WANT TO HEAR YOUR MUSIC will request it on radio. Gee, Radio? Isn't that where ARTISTS HAVE ALWAYS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR INCOME? Why, yes, it is! And what happens when tens of thousands of people are downloading your FREE CD? Other corporations will take note of your success in the industry, and want YOU TO USE THEIR PRODUCTS AS PROMOTION. Gee, amazing! Sponsorship revenue!

Honestly, there is no problem here. The only problem is that idiot artists aren't seeing their chance to SUPERCEDE THEIR LABELS as efficient corporate entities capable of creating vastly more wealth than they could have previously. The old school, non-adaptive, traditional record industry junkies are just going to be left behind in a graveyard of "Where's my record sales!?" while those who had foresight will be cashing in.

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Originally posted by Elendil Look at it this way: I illegally download Sander Van Doorn's track. I love it. I illegally download 6 more. Jesus, he's incredible! He comes to town, and I purchase a ticket for his concert. However, I don't just purchase one ticket. I bring 10 friends. Thats hundreds of dollars in ticket revenue, from ONE person, based on one track that cost him nothing but time to create. THIS is the way success will come for the artist of the future. Their music is free. However, their concerts, merchandise, and subsequent ADVERTISING value are HUGELY increased. Its the obvious evolution. No one seems to get it, however.

That extra money goes to the club, has nothing to do with him, I'm sure sander is very pleased with you that you're are illegally downloading his music which took him nothing to create anyway, he just turned on the computer and clicked that create a track button on the keyboard.

Point is you're not going to be supporting the scene all your life, if his tracks don't sell it won't make a difference because his bookings will decrease.

If you download a track, buy it, otherwise you're stealing. With this ideology you might as well steal something like a car, you can tell the judge you were providing free promotion for a certain car maker, if people see you enjoy the car, that was easy to build anyway, people will want to buy it.

Say what you like but there are no exception for stealing music.

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Originally posted by psiico111 What's heavier, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? I don't get the point you are making, they each sold 1 million copies but the guy today makes less money, how is that downloading's fault? Sounds like the record company is keeping more profits today by your example.

LOL

Talk about getting owned.

Djeso, the more people that download and listen, the more artists will be able to demand for their bookings.

As an artist, I'd rather have 10,000 fans who illegally downloaded my album than 10 who didn't, and thats the bottom line. If I couldn't illegally download, then I would by next to no music at all, because of the expense - and NONE of these acts would see ANY of my dollars.

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http://soundcloud.com/michaelandryan

I download DJ sets...sets that are not available on CD and I will stick to that. As for albums I can purchase. Sometimes I will download them to listen to before I purchase...but if I like it...I will purchse it. I'm all about supporting the artist. Not only that...but I'm one of those people that has to have the actual CD! I want the paper insert thing inside and the REAL CD!

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Originally posted by Elendil What about those who don't play live? Gee... ummm... there is more than one way to make revenue as a non touring artist? Merchandise. Sponsorship. Publishing royalties. You people don't seem to really know the record industry to begin with. Record sales have NOT BEEN A MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR MOST ARTISTS FOR A DECADE. I'm not saying this as some outsider downloading cowboy. I'm saying this as a SIGNED, PUBLISHED artist who has both a Platinum and Gold record here in Canada. 1 dollar per CD (At the most) has never fattened artists wallets. Its ALWAYS been publishing royalties, tour revenue, and sponsorship. What I'm telling you is that ARTISTS need to re-examine the way they look at their revenue structure. Their music is ADVERTISING, drawing people to their BRAND IMAGE. Now, how many businesses would KILL to have people downloading their advertisements at the hundreds of thousands? Artists need to look at themselves as corporations, and lets face it - if you are looking for a living in the music industry, thats exactly what you are. Give away a CD for free, and people will divert funds towards more tangible goods - T-shirts, Posters, Online Journal Subscriptions. Not to mention, the more people who WANT TO HEAR YOUR MUSIC will request it on radio. Gee, Radio? Isn't that where ARTISTS HAVE ALWAYS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR INCOME? Why, yes, it is! And what happens when tens of thousands of people are downloading your FREE CD? Other corporations will take note of your success in the industry, and want YOU TO USE THEIR PRODUCTS AS PROMOTION. Gee, amazing! Sponsorship revenue! Honestly, there is no problem here. The only problem is that idiot artists aren't seeing their chance to SUPERCEDE THEIR LABELS as efficient corporate entities capable of creating vastly more wealth than they could have previously. The old school, non-adaptive, traditional record industry junkies are just going to be left behind in a graveyard of "Where's my record sales!?" while those who had foresight will be cashing in.

Very little of this will come of use to most non-commercial electronic producers. In electronic music most of the money DOES in fact come from touring and DJing - but many choose not to do it simply because they lack interest. I find it kind of sad that people get paid relatively large sums of money to simply play out music and interact with the crowd compared to the producers who work their asses off to produce the tracks (I'm not saying DJing doesn't take anything - simply that production on the whole is more challenging). But either way I suppose I'm one of those idiots you're talking about for the moment who doesn't like the whole 'branding' issue.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Seriously guys, i have seen first hand what this is doing to the music industry now that i am more deeply involved with it. Illegal downloading is killing the industry more than you would think. Sales are down 75% and it's affecting the artists more than the labels. It's even preventing many good artists from producing an album. Did you know that an average album takes a MINIMUM of $100,000 to produce? Did you know that a record deal means that the label loans you the cash and that you have to pay them back in full before you make a dime on your sales? Neither did i until i got involved with this! So please, download from the various sites that offer pay services. You can get them for as little as 99 cents - 1.99 at various places. Its not much.The only thing i condone on the free download sites are mix sets such as radio shows or club sets that arent for sale to the general public.

well there is an exponential increase in artists every year, and an exponential increase in the amount of music produced every year, so i hardly see the effects of illegal music downloading on music in general,

sure it might affect the industry, but i fucking hate the music industry and they way their overcharge for music, so until i see a reasonable prices for music, i will continue to drive them down

Why is this such a hot heated topic? everyone takes this topic way to serious ... i say fuck it ... do what you want ...

whoever your trying to explaining it to is not going to listen they have their view and you have yours ... move on