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Originally posted by InterMilan31 can we stop making this a ps3 vs xbox thread

Agreed

I won't have much money to spend on consoles and I don't play games very much anymore, so I'm gonna just buy one console and it'll be PS3. Only because Final Fantasy will be there. I already lost the FFVII I bought some time ago, just to get to play it again. Now I need to buy it again because of losing it somewhere

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Lemme get back to you. Were talking in the now, so I want numbers from the now. I'm still not finding them. If anyone else cares to contribute on a hardware sales figure for all the consoles as of Dec. 2006, it would be great.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/ne...php?story=12375

The latest NPD video game hardware and software sales for the U.S. have debuted, with overall sales up 28% to $3.7 billion, but game sales up just 5% to $1.7 billion in December 2006 - and hardware sales up a gigantic 59% to $1.6 billion.

According to the official hardware statistics released this afternoon, the PlayStation 2 continued to be a popular platform at retail, selling 1.4 million units for the month (37.1 million to date in the U.S.). The Xbox 360 also impressed, selling 1.1 million in December (with 4.5 million lifetime to date), while the Wii sold 604,200 units for the month, putting its total North American number sold at 1.1 million units.

Elsewhere, the severely supply-constricted PlayStation 3 was found to have sold through 490,700 units for the period, with 687,300 units sold since its launch in November - no doubt somewhat of a disappointment for console creator Sony.

As was the case in November, it was the handheld market that truly stood out in December, with the Nintendo DS topping all platforms in sales with 1.6 million units sold (9.2 million lifetime), ahead of the still impressive 953,200 PSP units sold during the month (6.7 million lifetime). Nintendo's aging Game Boy Advance handheld continued to put in a good showing for the holiday rush, resulting in 850,700 units sold for the period (35.1 million lifetime).

As for software, the top selling title for the month was the Microsoft published, Epic Games-developed Gears of War for the Xbox 360, which sold 817,700 units in December. Activision's popular rhythm game sequel Guitar Hero 2 and the PlayStation 2 version of EA's Madden NFL 07 each put up respectable numbers as well as the second and third top selling titles for the month, selling 805,200 units and 727,100 units respectively.

Interestingly, while available for both platforms, Nintendo's Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess sold slightly more for the GameCube with 532,900 units sold, compared to the 519,200 units of the Wii version sold in December. Other top sellers for the month included New Super Mario Bros. for the Nintendo DS, Call of Duty 3 for the Xbox 360, and WWE Smackdown VS. RAW 2007 for the PlayStation 2.

Looking to the entirety of 2006, it was EA's Madden NFL 07 that proved to be the overall winner with 2.8 million units sold, while New Super Mario Bros. ranked second with 2 million units. The newly popular Gears of Wars was the third most sold title for the year with 1.8 million units sold, an impressive feat considering the game's November release date.

Other data released by NPD this afternoon includes specific accessory numbers sold in December, the most popular of while was Microsoft's official Xbox 360 wireless controller, which sold 832,800 units during the month. The Wii remote ranked second with 646,700 units sold, ahead of its companion nunchuck, which sold 497,100 units in December. The PlayStation 3's Sixaxis controller came in slightly behind its competitors with just 336,000 units sold for the month.






So, the PS2 beats the 360. Like I said, maybe everyone wasnt ready for the PS3 just quite yet.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000

good post, good research.

RJT got owned, hard.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 RJT got owned, hard.

What in fucks name are you talking about? Nothing in that article "owned" me or what I had to say.

When a dead system that's almost 300 dollars less than next gen systems manages to sell 300,000 more units in a single month, no one is shocked, and I'd hardly say that's "dominating" the 360, especially when in the same article it says the top selling software and accessories belonged to the 360 (I don't need to tell any of you that this is where companies make money, not hardware) - beyond which, it makes relatively no mention of developers continuing to support the PS2 platform - and also makes no room for hardware shortages.

If you get off on "owning" people on a half accurate statistical technicality, that's cool. But honestly, all you're doing is spinning a single statistic to suit your position - hardly an ethical or even honest appraisal of any situation. Shame on the both of you.

Feel free to try again though. You're all very amusing to me.

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LET THIS CONTINUE AS A PS3 Thread!

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Originally posted by RJT What in fucks name are you talking about? Nothing in that article "owned" me or what I had to say. When a dead system that's almost 300 dollars less than next gen systems manages to sell 300,000 more units in a single month, no one is shocked, and I'd hardly say that's "dominating" the 360, especially when in the same article it says the top selling software and accessories belonged to the 360 (I don't need to tell any of you that this is where companies make money, not hardware) - beyond which, it makes relatively no mention of developers continuing to support the PS2 platform - and also makes no room for hardware shortages. If you get off on "owning" people on a half accurate statistical technicality, that's cool. But honestly, all you're doing is spinning a single statistic to suit your position - hardly an ethical or even honest appraisal of any situation. Shame on the both of you. Feel free to try again though. You're all very amusing to me.

Well, first off, I wasnt trying to 'own' you, but rather prove to you that the PS2 is still a very good-selling console. Also, you are consistently missing the point of my posts; you keep debating arguments that I'm not even talking about. I'm not saying anything about developer support towards the PS2 or the lack thereof; all I'm saying is that the PS2 is still kicking ass, sales-wise. Thats what I said in my last post, and thats what I'm saying now.

Just tell me this, was the PSone outselling the Xbox in 2002? I think the lesson we are all learning from this is that gamers werent ready for the next-generation just quite yet. I mean, yeah, the PS2 is 250 dollars cheaper, but even you said it yourself RJT:

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When a dead system that's almost 300 dollars less than next gen systems manages to sell 300,000 more units in a single month, no one is shocked, and I'd hardly say that's "dominating" the 360, especially when in the same article it says the top selling software and accessories belonged to the 360

Notice how you said a DEAD system is outselling a NEXT-GEN system? Isnt there something wrong there? Despite the PS2 being cheaper, shouldnt the new consoles be getting the most attention? Very close to the majority of people just werent ready to throw down for the next-gen just quite yet.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Well, first off, I wasnt trying to 'own' you, but rather prove to you that the PS2 is still a very good-selling console. Also, you are consistently missing the point of my posts; you keep debating arguments that I'm not even talking about. I'm not saying anything about developer support towards the PS2 or the lack thereof; all I'm saying is that the PS2 is still kicking ass, sales-wise. Thats what I said in my last post, and thats what I'm saying now. Just tell me this, was the PSone outselling the Xbox in 2002? I think the lesson we are all learning from this is that gamers werent ready for the next-generation just quite yet. I mean, yeah, the PS2 is 250 dollars cheaper, but even you said it yourself RJT: Notice how you said a DEAD system is outselling a NEXT-GEN system? Isnt there something wrong there? Despite the PS2 being cheaper, shouldnt the new consoles be getting the most attention? Very close to the majority of people just werent ready to throw down for the next-gen just quite yet.

First, the reason I don't address your points is because you've completely failed to address mine. Posting articles that have relatively little to do with the previous discussion does not move the discussion forward. I clearly WAS talking about developers, so it's you who's arguing points that I wasn't even talking about.

Second, you can't write off the fact that the PS2 sold more systems in a single month to a poor showing of the 360, Wii, or PS3. You seem to want to use a single statistic as fact that the PS2 is still "dominating" the next generation without acknowledging the context within which those numbers are given. There are plenty more factors leading to the PS2 selling than the next gen not doing well, most notably:

1. Price
2. Existing Library
3. The socio-economic status of the average gamer, and their inability to shell out 1/2 a grand for a system.
4. Availability

And there are countless more. There is nothing wrong with the PS2 outselling the current generation, in fact, I'd go so far as to say that it makes a lot of sense, given the 360's somewhat sluggish launch.

The bottom line is that # of systems sold in a given month has little to nothing to do with who's "dominating," especially when the system you're discussing is in fact a "dead" system. Sale of accessories, games, and market share, on the other hand, do.

You can make all the excuses you want - but at the end of the day if you think the PS2 is going to last, you're dreaming.

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Originally posted by RJT First, the reason I don't address your points is because you've completely failed to address mine. Posting articles that have relatively little to do with the previous discussion does not move the discussion forward. I clearly WAS talking about developers, so it's you who's arguing points that I wasn't even talking about.

Right, you were, but I wasnt. And since you were attempting to counter ME, then why should that give you the ability to change the points that I'm arguing about? I am well aware that the PS2 is in its last days, but thats not what I'm saying. All I'm trying to get across here is that the PS2 is still a popular console thats selling extremely well, and because of that, the PS3 will have a harder time establishing a firm position as a formidable contender in the next-gen console wars. Such wont be the case in 10 months though, I think.

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Originally posted by RJT Second, you can't write off the fact that the PS2 sold more systems in a single month to a poor showing of the 360, Wii, or PS3. You seem to want to use a single statistic as fact that the PS2 is still "dominating" the next generation without acknowledging the context within which those numbers are given. There are plenty more factors leading to the PS2 selling than the next gen not doing well, most notably: And there are countless more. There is nothing wrong with the PS2 outselling the current generation, in fact, I'd go so far as to say that it makes a lot of sense, given the 360's somewhat sluggish launch.

^^^Thats the point I'm trying to make! The whole reason I started this argument in the first place was to defend the PS3's sluggish start. People are calling the PS3 a failure already, when in reality, its because its predecessor has yet to die! People arent done with the PS2 yet!

If you go back a page, you'll realize we started this discussion because you mentioned how little market share the PS3 has managed to scramble in the time its been released.

I am in no way trying to say that the PS2 is going to continue to dominate and continue to be healthy competition. In my honest opinion, holiday season 2006 will probably be the last time the PS2 is even really mentioned. Sure it will sell as time goes on, only because its cheap and it will likely get even cheaper in the next year, but realistically, everyone is looking forward to the next big 3, and by next year, the big 3 will have fantastic libraries.

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The bottom line is that # of systems sold in a given month has little to nothing to do with who's "dominating," especially when the system you're discussing is in fact a "dead" system. Sale of accessories, games, and market share, on the other hand, do.

This just seems silly. I mean, I totally agree with you in that its the sales of the software/accessories that make the company their money, but saying that sales of the system "has little to nothing to do with who's dominating" seems a little too far. First off, I'm willing to bet the PS2 sold more software than the 360. And I wouldnt even be surprised if it sold more accessories too. Ehhh the accessories might be stretching it, but games....I'm almost willing to guarantee that the PS2 outsold not only just the 360, but all 3 of the major next-gen systems COMBINED, in software.

People seem to post all of those lists claiming which games sold the best...I dont remember the games that were on the list, but its quite possible none of them were PS2 games. Gears of War was definetely 1 of them, but the reason it sold so well is because of the severe lack of OTHER available AAA 360 games. The PS2 has AAA titles ranking all the way back to 2000. If you buy a Wii, or a 360, or a PS3, its very likely you'll probably pick up Gears of War, Resistance, and Zelda, only because there isnt much else available.

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Originally posted by RJT What in fucks name are you talking about? Nothing in that article "owned" me or what I had to say. When a dead system that's almost 300 dollars less than next gen systems manages to sell 300,000 more units in a single month, no one is shocked, and I'd hardly say that's "dominating" the 360, especially when in the same article it says the top selling software and accessories belonged to the 360 (I don't need to tell any of you that this is where companies make money, not hardware) - beyond which, it makes relatively no mention of developers continuing to support the PS2 platform - and also makes no room for hardware shortages. If you get off on "owning" people on a half accurate statistical technicality, that's cool. But honestly, all you're doing is spinning a single statistic to suit your position - hardly an ethical or even honest appraisal of any situation. Shame on the both of you. Feel free to try again though. You're all very amusing to me.

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Originally posted by RJT Define "dominating the 360."

i think he did. a console 5 years older sold more units than the "next generation". thats dominating. especially considering your rather ignorant assertions that

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Originally posted by RJT Sorry champ, again this is a logical fallacy. The new generation is here - The old is gone. There isn't "another year or two" in the PS2's life cycle - No matter what the media tells you.

i think 2000's post regarding its life cycle very much owned you actually. you were going in hard with opinions, unfortunately he went in with some facts. unlucky. the fact that the PS2 managed to sell that many units is going to guarantee a strong return in continuing game purchases. whether they beat the 360 in software is possibly less important than landing even more PS2 units in households.

also, conner2000 didnt say he owned you. i said he did. pay attention. and i wasnt spinning any stat for "my position". i have no position. i love seeing console fanboys get thrashed with their inherently biased viewpoints.

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Red Kawa's Ps3 Media Center FTMFW

Set this bad boy up today in no less than 10 minutes. Im able to access both Mac & PC's via the Internet Browser to download music/movies and pics to my PS3's hard drive.

Now im a fan of torrents as when in the US I can view my euro shows that I miss and vise versa and now this has made it possible (im sure there other ways but im a retard) to watch my shows and shit on my TV's



now this is not some console exclusive they have the Red Kawa for wii and im sure xbox does the same bla bla just stating a cool thing i figured out today

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think he did. a console 5 years older sold more units than the "next generation". thats dominating. especially considering your rather ignorant assertions that i think 2000's post regarding its life cycle very much owned you actually. you were going in hard with opinions, unfortunately he went in with some facts. unlucky. the fact that the PS2 managed to sell that many units is going to guarantee a strong return in continuing game purchases. whether they beat the 360 in software is possibly less important than landing even more PS2 units in households. also, conner2000 didnt say he owned you. i said he did. pay attention. and i wasnt spinning any stat for "my position". i have no position. i love seeing console fanboys get thrashed with their inherently biased viewpoints.

RTJ owned again LOL. entertainment at its finest, keep it going . (although i came here to see what the ps3 is like.)

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