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Originally posted by Eugene For example, if you tell your friend in college that at 21 you're still a virgin, you will be perceived as a loser. You will be laughed at, ridiculed, and people will wonder if something's wrong with you.

well, i'm sorry, i don't give a f**** what others think about me, and i am dead serious. i do my thing, i do what I wanna do, and i do think that's what some people have to learn to do. of course, i know that many others may not be comfortable with being considered losers. well, i don't care, it's all about how I feel about myself

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And unfortunately, in many ways they're right. If you are a virgin, then chances are that you're also shy around people, that you don't have friends, and that you're a loner. Most importantly, you're not as experienced...

well, ok, i am shy around people, and i'm not so experienced... so WHAT? is there something wrong with being shy? i may not have 200 friends, but i have 2-5 people that i can absolutely rely on, and i know that. i'm a virgin, i'm shy, i'm a loner, i don't go out every single friday, i'm not experienced, and i'm not afraid to admit all of that. shoot me for that.

reloop: a load of bullshit in the fucking society
harry choo-choo romero: i just can't believe all the things people say. why must i deal with this shit every fucking day?

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix well, i'm sorry, i don't give a f**** what others think about me, and i am dead serious. i do my thing, i do what I wanna do, and i do think that's what some people have to learn to do. of course, i know that many others may not be comfortable with being considered losers. well, i don't care, it's all about how I feel about myself

Well, yeah, if you feel this way then it's fine.
But I doubt that you really feel this way.
99.9% of people (including you, I'm sure) DO CARE what others think about them.

You can be in denial of this, but it's true with almost every person.

However, if you truly don't give a shit about others, I congratulate you, and envy you...

As for me, I'm bothered by my virginity a little bit but at least I'm smart enough to prepare so that when the time comes, I will make it a GREAT experience for both myself AND THE GIRL. (Do you know how many teens who lost their virginity at like 15-16 had absolutely no fucking clue what to do, how to please their partner, etc.? Do you know how many of them had unfortunate, bad first experiences?)

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Originally posted by Eugene 99.9% of people (including you, I'm sure) DO CARE what others think about them.

i haven't had a haircut in 10.5 months and i don't have a legitimate reason (well, at least it will not look normal to the society). so imagine, i look like hell with my hair completely out of control, and i like it.

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(Do you know how many teens who lost their virginity at like 15-16 had absolutely no fucking clue what to do, how to please their partner, etc.? Do you know how many of them had unfortunate, bad first experiences?)

that's way true. so many people do it just to get it over with and loose the guilt of being a virgin. isn't that a bit wrong?

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well Eugene, then i guess if the teens had first bad experiences its their own faults right? dont you think so? each one of us makes choices and these choices will effect us to the rest of our lives...and its really too bad coz they make it, and really no one cares about it. you make the call, not them. if their so desperate to get laid, and stop thinking about losing virginity, losing it in a truly fasinating way which is getting drunk/high and getting maybe even raped the first time ya i know its all good, as long as they get laid and tell their friends the next day about it, how they lost it, and be ashamed deep inside to the rest of their lives

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon well Eugene, then i guess if the teens had first bad experiences its their own faults right? dont you think so? each one of us makes choices and these choices will effect us to the rest of our lives...and its really too bad coz they make it, and really no one cares about it. you make the call, not them. if their so desperate to get laid, and stop thinking about losing virginity, losing it in a truly fasinating way which is getting drunk/high and getting maybe even raped the first time ya i know its all good, as long as they get laid and tell their friends the next day about it, how they lost it, and be ashamed deep inside to the rest of their lives

bluE_Neon, I really hate all those people who tell you to "wait until marriage" or that "teen sex is immoral" or other shit like that. To me that sounds very hypocritical and stupid. I see nothing wrong with getting laid while drunk (or high), or at a high-school party, or something like that, -- because that's part of life, and part of growing up.

Life is a very complicated thing, and it can't be pinned down to a few primitive truths.

However, since I haven't done it yet, at least I have the potential to learn how to make it a good first experience, both for me and for my partner. (Put it this way: better than many people's.) That's all I'm saying...

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Originally posted by Eugene If you are a virgin, then chances are that you're also shy around people, that you don't have friends, and that you're a loner. Most importantly, you're not as experienced...

Well, I think that is a slightly extreme way of putting it, but yes, that fits me. Now, I would hope and assume that were my life to contain members of the opposite sex, that I would have not had sex with them, but it does worry me.

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix well, i'm sorry, i don't give a f**** what others think about me ... well, ok, i am shy around people, and i'm not so experienced... so WHAT? is there something wrong with being shy? i may not have 200 friends, but i have 2-5 people that i can absolutely rely on

Hrm, well, you're a lucky guy then, a lucky guy, on both counts.

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix i haven't had a haircut in 10.5 months

Heh, its been a while since I last had a haircut, too...

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Originally posted by Eugene I really hate all those people who tell you to "wait until marriage" or that "teen sex is immoral" or other shit like that. To me that sounds very hypocritical and stupid. I see nothing wrong with getting laid while drunk (or high), or at a high-school party, or something like that, -- because that's part of life, and part of growing up.

You're 100% right, mate. But you must always remember not to do things that you'll regret in future. Having sex being drunk/high can be a thing like that.
It's little off-topic, but I have to share something. I'm not actually a nice guy, I'm sometimes mean, but what I really hate is that when I'm drunk I start to be nice and... often say or do things I regret afterwards. And it so piss me off...

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22 and counting. The last two girls were just not right. One was a bit psycho and the other couldn't be trusted much. Just because you can't find the right person that you want to shar the moment with doesn't mean you're a social outcast. Geesh... I mean, I love to go out and party, but still, there's no reason to go out and get the first better looking girl and spend the night with her. I agree with TiestoInTheMix... just because you have tons of friends doesn't mean you can rely on all of them and just because you don't go out every weekend doesn't mean you're a loser either.