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| quote: | Originally posted by grooviebeats
you are a idiot if you think im trying to condone spaking or beating an 6 month old but like 5 or 6 year old hell yes smack that ass.. |
To spank a child is a cruel, spiteful, ignoble, mean, disrespectful and dirty act because it is carried out towards a powerless person who is not allowed to defend herself / himself nor to escape from the aggressor and his ignorance. It is also a most destructive act because it damages the brain of the victims who will repeat their whole lives the lies and feeble mindedness of these acts. Any form of physical violence towards a child child and leaves lingering effects for a whole life. Abusers learned this lie from their own parents as you learned it from yours, as your children will learn it from you.
| quote: | Originally posted by grooviebeats
i used to get my ass whooped when i acted up and so will my kids when i have them. |
What we do to children when they are small--the good things and the bad things--will later form a part of their behavioral repertoire. Battered children will batter others, punished children will act punitively, children lied to become liars themselves, protected children learn to be protective, respected children learn to respect others weaker than themselves.
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
answer me this: When your kid acts out, you'll spank them....what appends when they don't take it seriously and turn around and do what they did the first time? Spank them again? You'll only end up spanking and spanking them which is how some parents start abusing their kids. |
+1
In the short term, corporal punishment may produce obedience. But it is a fact documented by research that in the long term the results are: inability to learn, violence and rage, bullying and cruelty, inability to feel another's pain, especially that of one's own children, even drug addiction and suicide unless there are helping, witnesses on hand to prevent that development.
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
There's child abuse, and there's spanking. Spanking != abuse. |
The claim that mild punishment (slaps or smacks) have no detrimental effect is still widespread because we received this message very early from our parents who had taken it over from their parents. Unfortunately, the main damage it causes is precisely the broad dissemination of this conviction. The result is that each successive generation is subjected to the tragic effects of so-called "physical correction."
Fundamentalists propagate beating children because they disavow their own painful experiences and are unaware of the fact that they are using their children as scapegoats. In the case of our children, the point at issue is not only the welfare of individual families, but the vital interests of society as a whole are at stake. Physical cruelty and emotional humiliation not only leave their marks on children, they also inflict a disastrous imprint on the future of our society.
Spanking can also be sexual abuse:
http://www.nospank.net/101.htm
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
Bas is Muslim. He wont beat his kids. He will just tie them up & stone them.  |
disregarding the comment on forumer, it's exactly this type of child abuse in fundementalist Islamic societies that is the main source of terrorism and their related international problems
http://www.nospank.net/glazov.htm "ALL SERIAL KILLERS, almost without exception, are severely sexually abused as children. The kind of people who hijack a plane with innocent people and drive it into a building with thousands of other innocent people are related to this phenomenon..."
http://www.nospank.net/demause5.htm "From childhood, then, Islamist terrorists have been taught to kill the part of themselves-and, by projection, others-that is selfish and wants personal pleasures and freedoms."
Food for thought:
Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other dictators were exposed to severe physical mistreatment in childhood, and refused to face up to the fact later. Instead of seeing and feeling what had happened to them, they avenged themselves vicariously by killing millions of people. And millions of others helped them to do so. If the legislation we are advocating had existed at the time, those millions would simply have refused to perpetrate acts of cruelty at the command of crazed political leaders.
and for anyone is pro child abuse (which includes the gentle, loving, 'harmless' spanking) please read up. Not facing the painful truth of the emotional trauma of your past and perpetrating it to helpless children is evil.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n...2Cn%3A20&page=1
Last edited by Kaz on Jan-24-2007 at 00:04
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