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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I think it's "human behaviour"

I hope he realizes that by saying human behaviour I meant people playing baseball or engaging in other activities that are completely unrelated to carbon emissions and energy consumption.

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Originally posted by slingshot I hope he realizes that by saying human behaviour I meant people playing baseball or engaging in other activities that are completely unrelated to carbon emissions and energy consumption.

LOL

Ban baseball!!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Unless you count the consensus of several "climate scientists" (who often only have BAs, and whose very careers depend on continuation of the scare) as evidence.

I'm actually glad you brough this up. Here is an idea,
let's consider the sources.

you can start with

www.friendsofscience.org (or anything else posted in this thread, to argue your point)

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What's truly mind-boggling is how some otherwise intelligent people are able to claim that there are massive amounts of empirical evidence when they haven't seen any.

are you serious?
I don't know what to say.

I think i'll stop right here.
before I do, look up the term empirical evidence - ya know, for future ref

He doesn't mean that there's no empirical evidence of global warming, nor does he mean that there's no empirical evidence of rising CO2 emissions. Because there is. What he means is, if I find you a graph that shows how the estimated number of cockroaches has been steadily increasing in the last 200 years, and then show you a graph of how the earth's temperature has been increasing for the past 200 years, then put them together and conclude that cockroaches are either the reason for or are contributing to global warming, what will you say?

Secondly, consider the time frame here. 200 years. Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years. Divide that out - it'll put into perspective how small of a window of empirical evidence you're looking at here. Just for fun:

GODDAMN FUCKING DINOSAURS AND THEIR INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION FUCKING WITH OUR CO2 EMISSIONS.

For even more fun:

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This figure shows the long-term evolution of oxygen isotope ratios during the Phanerozoic eon as measured in fossils, reported by Veizer et al. (1999), and updated online in 2004 [1]. Such ratios reflect both the local temperature at the site of deposition and global changes associated with the extent of permanent continental glaciation. As such, relative changes in oxygen isotope ratios can be interpreted as rough changes in climate. Quantitative conversion between this data and direct temperature changes is a complicated process subject to many systematic uncertainties, however it is estimated that each 1 part per thousand change in δ18O represents roughly a 1.5-2 °C change in tropical sea surface temperatures (Veizer et al. 2000).

OMFG LOOK! 100 million years ago dinosaurs expelled so many greenhouse gases that the Earth's temperature went up by 6 degrees throughout 50 million years! My god! How did the Earth survive? Well now we certainly know who to blame for the extinction of dinosaurs - it was their own damn fault. Shouldn't have bought so many Suburbans, T-Rex!

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur He doesn't mean that there's no empirical evidence of global warming, nor does he mean that there's no empirical evidence of rising CO2 emissions. Because there is. What he means is, if I find you a graph that shows how the estimated number of cockroaches has been steadily increasing in the last 200 years, and then show you a graph of how the earth's temperature has been increasing for the past 200 years, then put them together and conclude that cockroaches are either the reason for or are contributing to global warming, what will you say? Secondly, consider the time frame here. 200 years. Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years. Divide that out - it'll put into perspective how small of a window of empirical evidence you're looking at here. Just for fun: GODDAMN FUCKING DINOSAURS AND THEIR INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION FUCKING WITH OUR CO2 EMISSIONS. For even more fun: OMFG LOOK! 100 million years ago dinosaurs expelled so many greenhouse gases that the Earth's temperature went up by 6 degrees throughout 50 million years! My god! How did the Earth survive? Well now we certainly know who to blame for the extinction of dinosaurs - it was their own damn fault. Shouldn't have bought so many Suburbans, T-Rex!

i almost said "wow you actually say intelligent things"

but then you had to edit

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict but then you had to edit

i think it was for the better

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Originally posted by slingshot 98% of sceintists agree that human behaviour is having an adverse affect on global warming.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker LOL! That is a funny, funny statement. Think about it for a second.

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Originally posted by slingshot What is it that you find so funny about that statement?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I think it's "human behaviour"

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Originally posted by slingshot I hope he realizes that by saying human behaviour I meant people playing baseball or engaging in other activities that are completely unrelated to carbon emissions and energy consumption.

Ah..RJ you are so misunderstood!

"98% of sceintists agree that human behaviour is having an adverse affect on global warming.

Slingshot's sentence, implies that human behaviour is having a negative effect on global warming, meaning its counter acting global warming, not contributing to it.

lol

yea, i'm an idiot.

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I agree with the wasteful comment, it is very true. However all I'm saying is that doing what we're doing to the environment, physically changing it in the way we're changing it CANNOT be good for it can it? Or are your answers "We don't know what affect the change is having so let's continue living our lives as is"? (Trying to find more information or theories to explain how this is affecting us or even being cautious and not taking steps to err on the side of caution because?)

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this is all a myth, awesome... so we should continue to consume and burn gasoline at asinine rates, overburn every harmful pollutant, light up the entire world and consume energy in excess while still leaving half the 3rd world in darkness, destroy the ozone layer so that those humans in the end that can still breathe in the air we've destroyed, in a "destroyed?" world which we've determined is a only part of a cycle. Eventually we will go the way of the earth's previous, and "cycled-out" inhabitants, the dinosaurs. I thought we were smarter? and part of being smart is being responsible, and part of being responsible is being a steward of the earth, unless of course we'd rather sit around and polute each others minds with half assed science most of us dont understand.

If this is a cycle, then we get cycled out naturally, like the dinosaurs.

Or we take what science has agreed upon of the situation and we learn from it. Science agrees that our global lifestyle is contributing to the destruction of the earth's atmosphere. That is reason enough for me to change my habits so as to NOT perpetuate or exasterbate the affect that the human race has upon whatever should happen naturally.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 this is all a myth, awesome... so we should continue to consume and burn gasoline at asinine rates, overburn every harmful pollutant, light up the entire world and consume energy in excess while still leaving half the 3rd world in darkness, destroy the ozone layer so that those humans in the end that can still breathe in the air we've destroyed, in a "destroyed?" world which we've determined is a only part of a cycle. Eventually we will go the way of the earth's previous, and "cycled-out" inhabitants, the dinosaurs. I thought we were smarter? and part of being smart is being responsible, and part of being responsible is being a steward of the earth, unless of course we'd rather sit around and polute each others minds with half assed science most of us dont understand. If this is a cycle, then we get cycled out naturally, like the dinosaurs. Or we take what science has agreed upon of the situation and we learn from it. Science agrees that our global lifestyle is contributing to the destruction of the earth's atmosphere. That is reason enough for me to change my habits so as to NOT perpetuate or exasterbate the affect that the human race has upon whatever should happen naturally.

LOL. The scientists are still arguing exactly what caused the dinosaurs to be extinct.

We're primarily debating on whether humans are the primary cause of global warming, not the other affects of human activities ie depletion of ozone layer, pollution, etc. (Which I agree that human lifestyle is harming the environment)

As for the 3rd world poverty and developed nations over consumption thingy, that's another topic entirely, eh?

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 That is reason enough for me to change my habits so as to NOT perpetuate or exasterbate the affect that the human race has upon whatever should happen naturally.

just out of curiosity, what kind of measures have you taken to reduce "global warming"?

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