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Originally posted by jdjd No experience? LIE.

The company I work for hires a private investigation firm to do detailed investigations and verify/investigate new hires above a certain pay/position level. They contacted previous employers (all listed on resume), requested pay/tax history documents, performed credit checks, made criminal/civil legal record searches, verified education/grades with the school and more.

Lying may work - but you may get caught and not get the job (or worse get caught after taking the job [either via investigation or inability to perform job functions, etc] and get fired).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The company I work for hires a private investigation firm to do detailed investigations and verify/investigate new hires above a certain pay/position level. They contacted previous employers (all listed on resume), requested pay/tax history documents, performed credit checks, made criminal/civil legal record searches, verified education/grades with the school and more. Lying may work - but you may get caught and not get the job (or worse get caught after taking the job [either via investigation or inability to perform job functions, etc] and get fired).

I'm sorry but I don't think that they have much success contacting previous employers or verify grades (degree possibly, but this is alot of the time not checked).
-Employers are usually not very willing to give out information on previous employees to cold callers, especially for competitive reasons. That is why references are asked for with applications (which can be falsified easily).
-Post-secondary schools are not allowed to give out grades to anybody other than the student, not even parents. This is why employers ask for transcripts.
-Credit checks and criminal record searches are definitely fair game.

Even still, the chances of an employer attempting a full background check (and successfully getting info from past companies) on an entry-level new hire is very slim. There are many companies to choose from out there, lying should be a last resort but it will work if all else fails.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The company I work for hires a private investigation firm to do detailed investigations and verify/investigate new hires above a certain pay/position level. They contacted previous employers (all listed on resume), requested pay/tax history documents, performed credit checks, made criminal/civil legal record searches, verified education/grades with the school and more.

I thought your tax history was private data? Can companies actually find that data on private citizens?

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Originally posted by jdjd -Post-secondary schools are not allowed to give out grades to anybody other than the student, not even parents. This is why employers ask for transcripts.

This I can attest to. My mom tried to find out my grades by calling my college, they said no, they cannot because of the privacy form I signed.

lol, if a company starts doing extensive background checks before I even get the job, they better be paying me a boatload of money or else I'm just walking out. I hate being watched by some big brother all the time, or having to watch over my shoulders with everything I do. As lucrative as government jobs are, that's probably the #1 reason I'd never take one.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur lol, if a company starts doing extensive background checks before I even get the job, they better be paying me a boatload of money or else I'm just walking out. I hate being watched by some big brother all the time, or having to watch over my shoulders with everything I do. As lucrative as government jobs are, that's probably the #1 reason I'd never take one.

I agree with the first few things that you said, but you are wrong about gov't jobs. Not ALL of them are like that. I guess it depends what ministry you are working for.

1-I have been asked by every employer up to this date (3 out of 3) to bring the original of my diplomas, but no transcripts, its very rare that an employer wants to know your grades.

2-I never put any reference in my resume, those should be handed in only if asked by the employer, at my current job they were never asked before, during and after the interviews.

3-Most employers now have technical interviews (in the IT world) to see if you know what you're talking about ( to a certain extent ).

4-Govt job suck ass for young blood like us, most of the time its not a good environment for someone fresh for a start in the job market.

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie I agree with the first few things that you said, but you are wrong about gov't jobs. Not ALL of them are like that. I guess it depends what ministry you are working for.

Yeah, I think it's become pretty obvious that most of the Government operates with absolutely NO oversight...lol

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Yeah, I think it's become pretty obvious that most of the Government operates with absolutely NO oversight...lol

Exactly. THat's why my best job ever was a government job. =)

At any position where you are licensed to trade securities there is an INTENSIVE 10 year background check. I remember my form came back to me because I messed up a month where I lived...i.e when I was 12 I moved and my form got rejected because officially I moved in June and not July. For the most part companies that deal with financial services have at least a 5 year background check on most employees regardless of licensing. While yes, references are generally not given unless you sign a waiver they can verify time, salary and position title.

Never ever lie on your resume because chances are it will come back to haunt you. We've had people lie about a degree, honours vs ordinary..they needed one more course for an honours, and a manager literally had to fight HR to have this person keep their job. Most managers wouldn't bother.

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Originally posted by Orko I thought your tax history was private data? Can companies actually find that data on private citizens?

Sure - they say:

If you want to work for us: We want to verify your income from your past positions. Please provide copies of your T4 for the last 3 years.

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