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Originally posted by Provocative_boi They were okay before 9/11 but now its like if your names Mohammad or anything close and your crossing the border, Good luck... They treat you like shit litreally.

No, the only people they treat like shit are the morons who can't go for 30 seconds without shooting their mouths off about how Americans are all racist slack-jawed yokels and that with respect to 9/11 they "had it coming". Not that I'm implying anything here, of course.

Do you not know how things work when the roles are reversed, or do you just think it's OK for the Saudis and the Iraqis to decapitate foreign repair crews and journalists and videotape forced conversions at gunpoint, because their particular interpretation of the Sharia permits it?

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Originally posted by EvilTree More of a stereotype. White people do crimes too. I admit that certain races may seem like they do more crimes, but a lot of it is perpetuated by the media, which fuels words of mouth and also people who had bad runs with people of other races.

That's not right. I can't even seem to find anything on statscan anymore because it's become such a taboo in PC Canada, but I distinctly remember the statistic a few years ago on prison demographics in Toronto being something like 20% or 30% black, highly disproportionate to their population demographic of under 10% in Toronto, much less across Canada. Now, if you take a look at CSC, you'll see that the focus across the country is on Aboriginals who comprise 20% of the prison demographics but less than 3% of the population. There are dozens of publications just on the CSC about this problem.

We can debate all day (or rather, you guys can, I'm not touching this one) what accounts for those statistics, but facts are facts and it's simply wrong to state that there's no correlation in Toronto or greater Canada between crime rates and ethnicity.

I'd go so far as to say that the mass media is a willing participant in covering up race issues with respect to crime, especially violent crime. We're often not told that shootings are the result of gang violence, and journalists constantly rely on silly phrases like "lone gunman" instead of telling us, for example, that it was a young Muslim male who walked into a Jewish centre, said some choice words about Israel and Jews, and proceeded to shoot several pregnant women (this actually happened, during the relatively recent Israel/Lebanon hostilities).

Don't blame the media for racial tension; they'll happily report on just about any newsworthy crime regardless of who committed it, and they're usually very tight-lipped when it comes to ethnicity or other background information.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Don't blame the media for racial tension; they'll happily report on just about any newsworthy crime regardless of who committed it, and they're usually very tight-lipped when it comes to ethnicity or other background information.

I was also referring to not just newspapers, but also movies, tv shows etc that portrays characters according to stereotype.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree I was also referring to not just newspapers, but also movies, tv shows etc that portrays characters according to stereotype.

Of course. So by that logic, Everybody Loves Raymond, The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Seinfeld, Frasier, Home Improvement, Friends (the list goes on and on) all portray white males according to the popular stereotype of stupid, arrogant, incompetent, impulsive blithering idiots who can barely maintain a relationship or hold down a steady job - right?

I'm curious what you'd have to say about other "stereotypical characters":
- Apu from The Simpsons, a totally honest, hardworking Indian who knows more about American history than any of the other characters on the show;
- Hermes on Futurama, a Jamaican character who they always play the obvious limbo stereotype off of, but other than that, is essentially a practical and efficient anal-retentive capitalist.
- If you've ever watched Malcolm in the Middle then surely you know of Stevie, the genius asthmatic black kid in a wheelchair. Can't quite figure out what stereotype that is.
- For any sci-fi geeks out there I could probably run off a dozen Star Trek characters, including Jordie from TNG (hardcore engineer, doesn't know how to talk to women) and Sisko from DS9 (a basically competent commander with very few obvious character flaws).
- How about detective Ed Green or Lt. Van Buren from Law and Order - sure, they definitely fit the "criminal" stereotypes!
- Or how about Neela on ER, played by Parminder Nagra who also played the character of Jess in the highly hyped movie Bend it like Beckham?


Sorry Yohan but you aren't reaching me here. In fact, the only real stereotype I can see in TV and movies with any consistency is the bumbling white male in comedies and sitcoms.

Maybe there are people like Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock who do nothing but play to the same old stereotypes, but they were only ever cast into the media limelight because they were already very successful in their own groups as stand-ups. They're stereotyping themselves, nobody has written their scripts for them. For the characters that are scripted, on movies and TV, I think if you really actually investigate this you'll see that writers and producers are extremely careful not to give any serious personality flaws to ethnic characters.

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While the trend in movies has changed, and stereotypes have become not so obvious.

Older days, Native Indians holler and do their funny dance.
Now, they live in rural areas pretty poor and have crappy jobs.

The obviously Korean characters own a convenience store for adults in movies and speaks poor English. Exception being Dr. Yang in House? or is it the other doctor sitcom? I'm not even sure if she's identified as a Korean. But I digress.
Korean parents (ie on Gilmore Girls) are conservative and controlling. (Damn you sis for making me watch this BS!)

Indian parents always talk with funny accent. (Mostly true, but you get what I mean) Latinos somehow seems to come across thugs or doing something shady.

What I'm saying is racial stereotypes in media aren't as blatant as before. But since the media wants to relate the characters as close as those found in everyday life, or at least perceived to be so.

Therefore, when someone who lives in Buttfuck, Nowhere, who haven't met someone of other ethnicity other than through TV meets a black person or whoever, their perception is influenced by what they know, and most of it is through TV stereotype.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by DigiNut I can only hope that some of the people who insist that Canada and/or the USA are two of the most racist countries actually have the opportunity some day to try making a life for themselves in virtually any other country where they don't quite fit the local profile. Many of the Scandinavian or other European countries are looked at as exceptionally friendly or tolerant, but virtually everyone I've talked to who lives there has had a story for me about their country's local isolationist party that wants to deport all foreigners and has a very large and loyal following amongst the local population. Not that Europe itself is anywhere near as xenophobic as many parts of Asia or the Middle East. Japan's already started whitewashing their history, I shouldn't even need to mention the whole China/Tibet thing, South Korea and North Korea can't stand each other (or anyone else), and just try flying into Saudi Arabia some day and telling a state official that you don't really understand this whole Wahabbism thing and that they ought to loosen up a bit. I don't see why people are so shocked by this or so anxious to deny it, either. If you scaled human history down to a single day, then people only really became aware of the existence of other cultures by 11:30 PM, and have only been able to actually see and interact with them since 11:50 or so (airplanes and internet would be within the last minute). It takes a long time for disparate groups to integrate themselves and there's often a lot of conflict and resentment which simply can't be skipped any more than the "ice breaking" stage can be skipped in a successful long-term relationship.

We only became civilized at 7:53.

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi I think USA is the most racist country period, They treat you like shit litreally.

I think you really need to learn what literally means.

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The most racist place I've ever been in is Sri Lanka. The majority sinhalese race and the largest minority, tamils (originally from southern India) just do not get along and absolutely hate each other. Their dislike for each other over 100s of years finally started a civil war in 1983 which still wages on to this day. I for one am glad I left that place as I do not share their views.

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Originally posted by Tordan The most racist place I've ever been in is Sri Lanka. The majority sinhalese race and the largest minority, tamils (originally from southern India) just do not get along and absolutely hate each other. Their dislike for each other over 100s of years finally started a civil war in 1983 which still wages on to this day. I for one am glad I left that place as I do not share their views.

Thanks Ben for pointing out a conflict in the world that I (and I am sure others here) was not aware of. The more one travels to other countries, the better one can provide a more personal answer, rather than the media perception they acquired.

In EVERY country that I have ever lived in and travelled to (14 countries), each general population has a ethnic or cultural scapegoat. Some countries and some people are better at keeping it covert, and some countries and people are very open about it. Some places I've been to, I was treated differently than others, but didn't know about it until someone else pointed it out. Wiered wold out there, but not much will change.

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Originally posted by DigiNut No, the only people they treat like shit are the morons who can't go for 30 seconds without shooting their mouths off about how Americans are all racist slack-jawed yokels and that with respect to 9/11 they "had it coming". Not that I'm implying anything here, of course. Do you not know how things work when the roles are reversed, or do you just think it's OK for the Saudis and the Iraqis to decapitate foreign repair crews and journalists and videotape forced conversions at gunpoint, because their particular interpretation of the Sharia permits it? COLOR][/FONT]

Dood here your comparing the Govt Officals and the bad guys, I dont mind if the bad guys do the racism within the country it happens everywhere,

My def of bad Guy(s) " Religious extremists groups or individuals "

I hope that clears out what i was saying.

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Originally posted by nusty I think you really need to learn what literally means.

Nice argument.....

you want racism?

Lets see jewish people try to enter any other middle eastern country or vice versa.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you want racism? Lets see jewish people try to enter any other middle eastern country or vice versa.

They have to keep their religion a secret. Middle eastern passports state the bearer's religion on the picture page. If that isn't profiling I don't know what is. I've been to three middle-eastern countries myself, and prolly not going to go into any more details, for I have enough dead worms in my driveway from last week's rain and purposely lost my can opener.

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