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Originally posted by SpykeChyld ^^^Thank you so much for the though provoking input, lol. I can see me pissing people off here. And I'm sorry if I came off strong in my last post, but the one I replied to really pissed me off. I'll chill, lol. If you actually want to expand your horizons past the small world of Trance, and learn about other cultures, hit me up. Maybe we could share some info on our respective musical likes. I really don't expect many TA's to take me up on this offer, but my AIM name is "SpykeChyld", just in case you guys want to suprise me, lol.

Well, most of my friends listen to rap, and they claim its underground...they hate people like Jay-Z and the rest of his 'thugged-out' crew, and listen to "underground" stuff or, real rap. I can't give you any names, cause I don't listen to it too much, but I listen to enough of it, and argue with them enough, about how I think rap doesn't deserve even half the popularity it has.

And I'm personally happy with my music horizons right now Some rock, different styles of electronic music and classical. I don't need to expand anymore, I think.

^^^OK, maybe something needs to be explained to YOU.

Yes, I've studied poetry. I've been in advanced placement english and poetic writing courses for 5 years now. I've done whole semesters on poetic anylization. And I write hiphop. So when I say hiphop is like poetry, there is a pretty god damn good chance I know what I'm talking about.

Ever heard some good thought provoking rhymes? obviously not.

Ever hear Rass Kass - The Nature Of The Threat? (racist against whites, but Rass has always been so. Nevertheless, still a good song.)

When I'm done with my next single "What is an MC", I'll let you hear it, THAT is hiphop.

These "thugs" you speak of comprise only a fraction of the culture.

What about the other, larger part that no one knows about, or cares about?

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well i certainly cant read and/or cover all the points made here, but...

it seems that some people are confusing liking a style of music, and possibly associating with it(hip hop=baggy clothes/lingo) as just terrible...well that makes us terrible for liking trance and possibly dressing some way because of it.

it also seems that people want to make a big racial issue out of this, which i wont even touch cause most of us prolly cant actually see both sides of this story.

it also seems that peeps are saying: 'hip hop is that shit that all sounds the same on MTV!! it sucks!' listen to that, you are criticizing POP music for sounding the same...this is the same with trance! to every Darude/P. Diddy theres a Sasha/Mos Def.

i dunno what to say beyond that. i love hip hop just as much as i love trance or rock. basically i just LOVE music, and it doesnt matter- as long as i can see how its relevant or important to the time/person/etc. shure, some music sucks - obviously. but dont judge the entire class by that one stand out kid thats stupid but does entertaining things...or just smoke some hooner and get the fuck over it, there is more important things to worry bout/

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Originally posted by biznology well i certainly cant read and/or cover all the points made here, but... it seems that some people are confusing liking a style of music, and possibly associating with it(hip hop=baggy clothes/lingo) as just terrible...well that makes us terrible for liking trance and possibly dressing some way because of it. it also seems that people want to make a big racial issue out of this, which i wont even touch cause most of us prolly cant actually see both sides of this story. it also seems that peeps are saying: 'hip hop is that shit that all sounds the same on MTV!! it sucks!' listen to that, you are criticizing POP music for sounding the same...this is the same with trance! to every Darude/P. Diddy theres a Sasha/Mos Def. i dunno what to say beyond that. i love hip hop just as much as i love trance or rock. basically i just LOVE music, and it doesnt matter- as long as i can see how its relevant or important to the time/person/etc. shure, some music sucks - obviously. but dont judge the entire class by that one stand out kid thats stupid but does entertaining things...or just smoke some hooner and get the fuck over it, there is more important things to worry bout/

Well, maybe one day my views on Hip Hop will change...but so far it hasn't been working, no matter how hard any of my friends tried to make me listen to the "good" tunes, I never really liked any of them. I'm not a hate it, I just dislike it and it makes no difference to me whether the whole genre would suddenly disappear or not.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic everybody is making excellent points but can somebody explain why kids are wearing baggy ass pants and speak in ebonics and try to use the F word every chance they get. i like rap alot but u dont see me sayin whats the dilly yo and f this and f that and i am 20. why kids go on talking like that ? does it make em tough ? nobody is yet to answer that question all the point we got across is hip hip is similar to trance gr8. now can someone explain why kids are so affected by it. i am ahuge trance fan but u dont see me sticking a glow stick up my ass everyday hehehe. laterz....

lol, people get influenced by the way others speak. One guy starts doing it, you hang around them long enough, you start to pick it up. happens alot. I know alot of ppl talk like they're jake from romp.com... why? cuz its jokes. its hilarious yo. i duz it sometimes just fo fun. werd.

fo' sheez...

I think a major point that needs to be made is that tastes are different. Some people love Spinach, other hate it..
some people love Hip Hop other hate it.

I personally do not like Hip Hop, why? I _PERCIEVE_ it as promoting smoking up and being all 'badass'. I know that it is not an educated comment, but after getting all kinda of shitty Rap shoved in my face from Radio stations in Germany and in the US, I have decided that I do not like it. Yes, I have gone to a club before and danced to hip-hop/ rap (I cannot distinguish between teh two) but only, because I couldn't convince my friends to go to a better place. I enjoy tance much more, but i understand that people might have the same feelings about hip-hop that i have about trance.

Long story short, people like Hip Hop for the same reasons we like trance. There are hippocrites in both the trance and the hip-hop genre that are just in to be cool. The difference is that Hip-hop is much more mainstream than trance/ techno.

In Germany, hip hop is cool, because is is 'american'. Everything american is cool, hence hip hop must be great. Though most of my friends do not understand the lyrics -neither do I though I have been in the US for 5 years- but they do not care since they like the way it sounds.
Seriously, how many of us stand around and listen to trance thinking: "Wow, that is some really ncie reprise of the theme" ?!? Thought so, we 'feel' trance, other people 'feel' Hip Hop.

Last point -before the flaming can start: I do not love Trance/ techno, but i like the following as well:
Rock, Metal, Classic Rock and many other genres.. I even like some older hip-hop/ rappish stuff.. So I am not a narrow minded person -I think- but i have preferences

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH And as for poetry...LOL, don't even compare rap lyrics to poetry. Just cause those 'thugs to the core' come up with some cheap rhymes, it doesn't classify as poetry. Have you ever studied poetry in school? Rhyming doesn't make poetry, but the use of the words, the use of different imagery styles. Calling rap poetry is someone's cheap excuse at trying to justify it's importance (or lack thereof).

Dmx = poet
Mos Def= poet
outkast= poets (playa and a poet actually)


I love how most of the ignorant comments come from people who prolly dont know what half the words in the song mean...

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Originally posted by drizzt81 Though most of my friends do not understand the lyrics -neither do I though I have been in the US for 5 years- but they do not care since they like the way it sounds. Seriously, how many of us stand around and listen to trance thinking: "Wow, that is some really ncie reprise of the theme" ?!? Thought so, we 'feel' trance, other people 'feel' Hip Hop.

Thanks bro, like i said before not many people can relate to exactly what the artist is talking about. But when u can it makes alot of sense and has meaning to it.

Then we can goto booty music, anyone know what that is? Its dance music, just a different kind. I LLLLLLLLLLLLLOVE booty music, if u think its fun to dance to trance etc. .. U dont know what ur missin. WHOOP WHOOP! hah

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR because its cheesy "cool persons" music, most peopel are wannabe blacks these days because theyre "cool" so they play all their type of music.

hey!!!!!!!! i like some hip-hop...well mostly rap...and i am not a black wanna be...im one of the whitest kids inmy school

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Rap = Crap IMO

Alot of people that posted seem to say that these rappers live what they rap about....well maybe some do BUT the majority are FULL of shit with their lyrics....they make these outrageous videos proclaiming they fly on Leer jets and drive Ferrari's and all that jewlery..LOL...they rent ALL that crap...dont get me wrong SOME rappers can afford it but in MOST cases they are "fronting".....

And i saw 1 or 2 people say DMX is a "poet"...are you serious??/...LOl like i have said before DMX says in 1 rap "when it rains -******s get wet"...NOW if you think that type of garbage is poetry then you are giving the term poetry a bad name and the great post Frost is turning over in his grave as we speak....

back in the day rapm was good with artists like Eric B & Rakim and KRS ONE...now all these little pathetic hoodlum gangsters rap about is how much ICE they have...its a joke...they sell this garbage to the public and lead the little kids who look up to them that they live in the lap of luxury when in fact most dont....did anyone see Redman's house on MTV Cribs...it was a shit hole...and hes a big rapper..well used to be....

One thing that makes me wanna laugh so hard and point and laugh harder is when u see those suburban white kids with their pants around their ankles wearing Kobe Bryant sneakers talking like "yo yo this" and "whats up son" crap pumping rap thinking they are tough...those type ofmkids are the biggest posers known to man..they have no identity so they adopt a false one from some rapper who himself is portraing a lifestyle which in itself is not even a reality to him.....

if you ask me its a all garbage now...and o the people who say well i should listne to underground rap...well i have NO desire to...some of my friends listen to all that shit and it makes me wanna vomit..

1 rappers who is full of shit is Puff Daddy my friend Simon went to high school with Puffy at Mount Vernon High School in Mt Vernon New York and was in his same grade...he and other guys i know who went to scholl with puffy said that he was the biggest pussy and half the school picked on him ...but then Puffy goes and acts likes hes the man and that he grew up hardcore and in the ghetto..well he NEVER grew up in the ghetto..i have seen with my own eyes where he grew
up....

whatever who cares.....

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Well i used to listen to hiphop, mainly commerical and lots of tupac. Now i like trance. But what sucks is that its kinda hard to tell people i like trance because tehy are like, oh you a raver? This one guy i bought turntable off of didnt know i listened to trance he said "woah, you're like hella low key" or undercover, i forgot exactly. But i was thinking, pshh thats BS. That guy is a raver and they keep telling me to take drugs and shit while listening and it would sound better.
This other 'gangsta' guy asked me why i listen to trance, most poeple listen to hip hop. Ahh just because everyone else listens to it, that doesnt mean its that good.

For poeple hating 'underground' rap saying they're doing it for the money, well you do have to think there's gotta be at least some money, but when they start becoming like Cashmoney and those fake asses, thats too far. What other job would they have if they're not in it for the money. There has to be some money inside there.

And i agree with what you guys say that people listen to hip hop because its 'cool'. If you think about it, most of them won't listen to trance because they dont want to be ruin their fake image.

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a question for all you guys who know their shit about rap...

Is Mr. Pookie dead?? i heard he got shot from a bunch of different people, and he is like one of my favorites (Mr. Pookie - Smoke One ROX!!).

By the way, Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP is one of the best albumns ever. (Take out Real Slim Shady and that shitty song that Dre and Snoop scrapped up, forgot the name)
He has some of the best flows ever, who the fuck cares that he's commercial. he at least made one good album. (D12 was a fucking joke)

About Nas' Stillmatic.
I love the CD... but he is SO hypocritical. (We need peace....I'MA SHOOT YOU!!!) (America shitted on me....oohh....i ice my tennis shoes.)
Good thing he made those killer tracks One Mic, Ether, and What Goes Around Comes Around.

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AND I HATE PPL who diss Eminem.
Ppl either say:

1) He's crap, his lyrics about raping his mother and killing ppl. He is a wigger and pathetic.
2) He is commercial crap
3) He tries to act black, he's a poser.

so he really can't win. the guy is pretty fucked, throughout his life he used making fun of himself and having people not like him to get attention.
that's his problem. he is an outstanding rapper. (But now he just wants money.)

I don't think ANY Rap Fan can listen to Marshall Mathers LP and say it's bad.

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