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Originally posted by jon jon Now of course this example is not necessarily on par with Ibiza, nor are we claiming the island would become a barren wasteland. But you can't sit here and tell me the clubs (clubbing/tourism industry) aren't the focal point of the island, they are.

nah, i agree with you jon. the clubs are a big part of the island's curernt income, but i saw alot when i was down there that really opened my eyes about the island. there is alot of ancient architecture proving the island has subsisted for centuries. i was expecting this hedonistic party island, and was surprised to find out that there exists alternate forms of tourism. did you know? pirates used to pillage the island, and that is why there's this HUGE fortress on top of this hill, replete with restaurants, apartments.. like a small cozy village (something you'd see in the smurfs)... built hundreds of years ago, mainly inhabited by people who have never heard of edm or taken drugs.

the economy is more than 95% dependent on tourism.

I would like to know what percentage comprises solely clubbers, because at most of the beaches i went to (not the commercial ones), there were mostly non-clubbers: old folks, families, europeans wanting to relax, scuba diving...


.... but if you're going to miss out on dc10, i feel your pain bro. one of the best parties i've ever been too. there are still lots of other clubs on the island though!

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Originally posted by Porky I would like to know what percentage comprises solely clubbers

yeah I realized that snag in my argument, but one could argue that even if not going to "club", the ideology of the island (ie: freedom, spirituality, blah blah) would be crushed, and that could also be a draw for tourists.

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Originally posted by Porky there are still lots of other clubs on the island though!

I know, I've been before.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo

Excellent read. Thank you sir.

(Edit: I was so engrossed with the article, that I forgot to comment on the actual issue - and am now too subdued from mentally placing myself in all the author's situations to form a passionate statement/post.)

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Originally posted by Porky you're assuming of course she did all that. i was with a german friend who had been there 5times, and he took us to all the towns that WEREN'T POPULATED by clubbers. normal tourists, families, old folks. it just strikes me how ignorant alot of ppl are who think that the island only revolves around the clubbers. which is definitely not the case.

i did. i lived with a lady who has lived there full-time since 1969. i became good friends with 2 guys (and still speak to regularily) who grew up on the island and another Canadian who has lived there for 5 years. Especially because of my landlady, i spent a lot of time with older residents.

i know for myself upon arriving on the island, i was surprised that there were areas that were geared to non-clubbers. although i knew they existed (having applied at several resorts), i was surprised at the size. however, after spending a lot of time traveling around the island and speaking with ppl that live there, those resorts and other jobs do not bring in as much as you think. also, again, a lot of the residents who live in the smaller villages somehow contribute to the tourism, whether it be through wineries, construction, arts and crafts etc. these companies and individuals either work to produce for the tourists season, or in the case of construction, go into hiatus until the summer starts. the other islands in the balerics...mallorca and palma get most of the non-clubbers.

taking a scooter around the island isn't enough to get to know it. honestly, even living there for 4 months isn't enough

i know the island won't sink into the Mediterranean with the closure for these clubs, but it will put a sizable dent into the tourism there, and personally hurt a lot of residents (the Can. guy was a security guard at Amnesia in the summers). and as JonJon said, its the ideology of the island, the freedom, the acceptance, the liberal attitude towards individual choice and lifestyle..these are integrated firmly in the club scene. they're what make it possible. many come to the island..for the clubs and for that ideology. to attack one is to attack the other

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Whoever the numpty who wrote this is clearly clueless and has a severe lack of knowledge when it comes to European holiday destinations. Yes there are many beautiful spots on the island and there is a lot more to ibiza than simply the clubs. But 80% of tourism revenue is linked to the clubbing scene - FACT!!! It is a Balearic isle with minorca and malllorca and yet generates an estimated 200% more in tourism revenue than these 2 isles. It is no more beautiful then either of these, trust me i have been to all 3 on more than 1 occasion. Ibiza IS a clubbing island, whether it has developed into that other the past 20 years or not. It is not going to get away from the fact that it relies on the revenue it generates from these clubs and the thousands of people that choose ibiza as there holiday destination solely based on these *druggy* clubs!!!! Europe has so much to offer travelers and tourists alike. There are so many different cultures, so much history, so many beautiful islands and thus so many options spread over a relatively small expanse of land. For ibiza to move away from what it offers and become a typical holiday destination would be foolish and potentially crippling to its economy. Whether you are in the "scene", my parents or joe bloggs next door, on this side of the atlantic you know what ibiza is and what it offers. It is splashed over are tv's every day, every summer. It is certainly not the Hawaii of Europe and never will be.

ps. not sure what a numpty is...

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Originally posted by spitty not sure what a numpty is...

1. Numpty


a) Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.

b) A good humoured admonition, a term of endearment

c) A reckless, absent minded or unwise person


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Originally posted by spitty as JonJon said, its the ideology of the island, the freedom, the acceptance, the liberal attitude towards individual choice and lifestyle..these are integrated firmly in the club scene. they're what make it possible. many come to the island..for the clubs and for that ideology. to attack one is to attack the other

Thanks for the insight Spitty. Good stuff.

Let me ask you this: Don't you think SOME boundaries/rules need to be established to protect the very freedom, acceptance, attitudes, etc., that are revered by so many travellers to the Island? I don't know all the details or the players, but the local police sending a strong message, especially if clear warnings were issued previously, doesn't seem all that unrealistic (or unreasonable) to me. Safety has to be of some concern in this case doesn't it? Or doesn't it?

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Thanks for the insight Spitty. Good stuff. Let me ask you this: Don't you think SOME boundaries/rules need to be established to protect the very freedom, acceptance, attitudes, etc., that are revered by so many travellers to the Island? I don't know all the details or the players, but the local police sending a strong message, especially if clear warnings were issued previously, doesn't seem all that unrealistic (or unreasonable) to me. Safety has to be of some concern in this case doesn't it? Or doesn't it?

What are you suggesting when you say some types or rules or boundaries need to be established?

I would also like to give my opinion on that article. However, I am at a loss of words right now. To say it was quite ridiculous in more ways than one would be a good starting point though.

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Originally posted by slingshot What are you suggesting when you say some types or rules or boundaries need to be established?

Good quesiton. I dunno, like at the Zone? The rules aren't posted (ha, wouldn't it be funny if they were!! shanny?), but it appears that all stakeholders have a general understanding of how things operate. Cross the line, and there are consequences. It may be a zoo, but it is not total anarchy.

I have ZERO understanding of how the clubs in Ibiza operate, but it appears that one or more stakeholders (e.g. police, politicians, locals, etc.?), for whatever reason, were not happy. Hence the bust and the temporary closures.

haha Amnesia website doesnt say anything.! everything is as planned... i think its a load of shit ... but even if its not .. theres always other clubs ..

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo I dunno, like at the Zone? The rules aren't posted

yes they are

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