700 ????

Damn.... that's going to leave THOUSANDS of people wondering who's going to lead mass this Sunday.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I understand where you're coming from, Ian, but state-sponosred murder / revenge? Death Penalty is revenge, not punishment. And no, it's not a detterent either. Do you also extend the death penalty to a 16 year-old raping a 15-year old?

that's where it's tricky. As "rape" in those cases can techncially be construed from a legitimate relationship if parents or someone else (or even the girl) finds out about it. The only problem would be what to do to legitimately punish abusers/rapists. Maybe We could buy some of Guantanamo & send the bastards there.

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Originally posted by Orbax

I'm not sure what you're going off on anymore. Do you even really believe yourself?

Not once did I say that they should be set free. Not once did I say that they shouldn't be locked away or euthanized. They are obviously dangerous to not just people, but people who are unable to defend themselves, and they should be treated as such. What I am saying is that many of you are quick to vie for murder and mutilation but fail to see that your desire for it stems from the same thing which spurs criminals to do the act in the first place.

Our society is just a series of cycles which perpetuate like behaviour - punishment is met with guilt which is met with punishment and so on. Torturing the deranged and perverted does not stop this cycle, it only furthers it. I am not calling for pardon or excuses or some "pussy" sense of understanding and fluffy compassion for those persecuted individuals who possess just a little bit different perspective then the most of us. I am saying that monsters are made, not born and that their makers had makers had makers. And that it's easy to see how a society so infected with sexual exploitation and murderous double-standards can produce perverted cases so often.

So what's the solution you've been ceaselessly crying for? Well I don't know. It's not my job to "fix" the world. People need to "fix" themselves and "fix" social issues before deeply-seeded human perversions which have existed in man and in nature for as long as we have ever known can begin to be "fixed". Your solutions seem to be working pretty well though. I mean, what with all this hangin' we got goin' on, there ain't a single pedophile left in the whole wide world!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I'm not sure what you're going off on anymore. Do you even really believe yourself? Not once did I say that they should be set free. Not once did I say that they shouldn't be locked away or euthanized. They are obviously dangerous to not just people, but people who are unable to defend themselves, and they should be treated as such. What I am saying is that many of you are quick to vie for murder and mutilation but fail to see that your desire for it stems from the same thing which spurs criminals to do the act in the first place. Our society is just a series of cycles which perpetuate like behaviour - punishment is met with guilt which is met with punishment and so on. Torturing the deranged and perverted does not stop this cycle, it only furthers it. I am not calling for pardon or excuses or some "pussy" sense of understanding and fluffy compassion for those persecuted individuals who possess just a little bit different perspective then the most of us. I am saying that monsters are made, not born and that their makers had makers had makers. And that it's easy to see how a society so infected with sexual exploitation and murderous double-standards can produce perverted cases so often. So what's the solution you've been ceaselessly crying for? Well I don't know. It's not my job to "fix" the world. People need to "fix" themselves and "fix" social issues before deeply-seeded human perversions which have existed in man and in nature for as long as we have ever known can begin to be "fixed". Your solutions seem to be working pretty well though. I mean, what with all this hangin' we got goin' on, there ain't a single pedophile left in the whole wide world!

you kinda contradict yourself. you say that we need to fix ourselves yet a deranged person cant fix themself. how is that fixed? by eliminating it. how you go about eliminating the problem is up to you but it must be eliminated if it is something that is harmful to more than just oneself. unlike drugs and alcohol this is something that is harmful to more than oneself.

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Originally posted by Ripped Bag

lol

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I'm not sure what you're going off on anymore. Do you even really believe yourself? Not once did I say that they should be set free. Not once did I say that they shouldn't be locked away or euthanized. They are obviously dangerous to not just people, but people who are unable to defend themselves, and they should be treated as such. What I am saying is that many of you are quick to vie for murder and mutilation but fail to see that your desire for it stems from the same thing which spurs criminals to do the act in the first place. Our society is just a series of cycles which perpetuate like behaviour - punishment is met with guilt which is met with punishment and so on. Torturing the deranged and perverted does not stop this cycle, it only furthers it. I am not calling for pardon or excuses or some "pussy" sense of understanding and fluffy compassion for those persecuted individuals who possess just a little bit different perspective then the most of us. I am saying that monsters are made, not born and that their makers had makers had makers. And that it's easy to see how a society so infected with sexual exploitation and murderous double-standards can produce perverted cases so often. So what's the solution you've been ceaselessly crying for? Well I don't know. It's not my job to "fix" the world. People need to "fix" themselves and "fix" social issues before deeply-seeded human perversions which have existed in man and in nature for as long as we have ever known can begin to be "fixed". Your solutions seem to be working pretty well though. I mean, what with all this hangin' we got goin' on, there ain't a single pedophile left in the whole wide world!

Although your tone is insolent, you still arent saying anything that anyone looking at the situation couldnt say.

"this is messed up someone should do something about this. Oh, and also, they should change the world, humans, and the system that humans operate in. We should make it perfect. Why am I the only one seeing this?!?!?!?!"

I agree, why dont you add fixing Middle East and Africa in there as well?

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Originally posted by Orbax Although your tone is insolent, you still arent saying anything that anyone looking at the situation couldnt say.

Story of my life. And it's not like you've said anything that an enraged mob wouldn't agree to in a moment of panic.

You...

You wanna just like...

Go grab a few 8 year-olds and be done with all this frettin' and a' feudin'?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel you kinda contradict yourself. you say that we need to fix ourselves yet a deranged person cant fix themself. how is that fixed? by eliminating it. how you go about eliminating the problem is up to you but it must be eliminated if it is something that is harmful to more than just oneself. unlike drugs and alcohol this is something that is harmful to more than oneself.

Well that was sort of the point in the contradiction - I was being ironic to illustrate the fact that there's really no stopping this sort of insanity - or any human insanity, for that matter - short of complete elimination. But if you're going to vie for that, where do you draw the line? (that's a rhetorical question)

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On there's really no stopping this short of complete elimination.

see we agree

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Originally posted by Orbax see we agree

I meant of all humans. =/

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