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Originally posted by Lilith Most large primary production and industrial based economies have them to some degree. The US in particular has a massive amount of subsidies poured into it's agricultural sector, hefty tariff and import restrictions on what can be imported into the country to 'protect' the local industries. This makes it very hard as an exporter trying to sell into the US and lets revise what in part this thread is about. Canada, selling stuff to the US. Because for all the flag waving, shrieking of doom and gloom by the locals on either side of the border, you are going to be granted a very rare opportunity for equilateral trade with this country that has a an equal export-import process for everyone. There is a very good reason why the US is doing this. It stands a high chance of being decimated by the euro which goes from strength to strength every year and the growing threat of the Indo-China countries. It does not make sense to proverbially hang your economy at the neck by strangling everything at the border, every cent saved there will soon amass into greater savings on both sides with this process.

In other words, if Yank economy die, so will Canadian economy.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard "Canada's New Government,"

Another great decision was made by this "new govt" and it may have slipped under the radar in the ROC.

The Army wanted to buy 30 brand new Coach buses via a public tender, the winning company is SETRA, a German company.

SETRA outbid one, MCI from winnipeg, of the two canadian companies who build these kind of buses (the other is Prévost in Montréal) by a measily 2,000$ a bus! The total contract is valued at 15 million$

So to save 60,000$ over a 15 million$ contract, provincial and federal govts lost much much more on income and other taxes.

SETRA won't pay a dime in taxes here. Moreover, parts and service will have to be imported from Germany while we have two great companies doing just that here.

Was that really smart when 240,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Canada in the last 4 years ?



just found it:

German company gets defence deal
JOE FRIESEN

July 17, 2007

WINNIPEG -- Workers at a Winnipeg bus plant are furious after the Conservative government chose a German company for a $14-million Defence Department contract.

Winnipeg's Motor Coach Industries lost the contract to Setra, a German-based subsidiary of DaimlerChrysler, after the rival company submitted a slightly lower bid.

"Our concern is that the Feds should be buying Canadian, especially when we're talking about a minimal difference between these two bids," said Brian Short, spokesman for Local 1953 of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

Motor Coach Industries was told the difference between the two bids was less than $2,000 a unit on a contract to build 30 buses at a cost of nearly $500,000 each.

Pat Martin, the MP for Winnipeg Centre, said he can't believe the government doesn't have a "made in Canada" procurement policy for defence contracts, particularly given the billions of dollars in spending that have been promised over the next few years.

"We're sending the message that if you want a good bus for your country's armed forces, do what we do, buy German," Mr. Martin said.

"[Stephen] Harper's been dining out on the falsehood that all this military procurement will be good for the Canadian economy. ... Well, how do you explain this?"

The contract was awarded by the Ministry of Public Works and Government Services. A spokeswoman said in an e-mail that the government supports the Canadian manufacturing sector, but chose the bid that offered the best value to the Canadian taxpayer.

The government's Canadian content policy applies only when there are three qualified Canadian bidders, she said. In this case, only two bidders had manufacturing plants in Canada, Motor Coach Industries and Quebec-based Prevost, so the bidding was opened up.

The Department of Defence already operates 13 of Motor Coach Industries' J-Model buses. The department will now have to buy parts and supply technical and maintenance support for another brand of vehicle, and will lose the tax dollars and related spending on Canadian supplies for the manufacturer, the company said.

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Originally posted by EvilTree In other words, if Yank economy die, so will Canadian economy.

The US economy is immensely robust, it's essentially been 'bomb-proofed' since the great depression and while it can be bitten, dented and kicked around the place a bit. I'm not sure if you can actually 'kill it'
But they are aware since that time there's a couple of other players in the world who are starting to size up to them and shape up. For all the fuss made over China, India and the EU, they're still fairly small compared to the US by itself, not with anyone else, just themselves.
US-Canada, would be an immensely strong market.
Now, should this go through you'd be wise to check out who's profits are affected by cross border traffic of goods and buy some shares in them if the actual deal goes through to completion. Those companies should turn a larger profit, which would be nice you think and sell.
No, you don't sell
You buy your Canadian companies while they're cheap and you keep them while they're making a profit, because the first sign a couple of money'ed up yanks comes sniffing around looking for a bargain, those prices will sky rocket.
Then, you can exercise your prerogative of actual ownership of something Canadian (rather than the squealing indignity of national pride) and you can either bleed them white for your shares or you can hang onto them as they return your dividends.

No ideals, no faux-ownership, flag waving, I'm in it for the t-shirt and bumper sticker pseudo pride bollocks you crazy kids go on with, buy Canadian if the deal goes through.
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Last edited by Lilith on Jul-19-2007 at 05:49

an easy way to slow down emerging countries like India and China is by bumping oil prices....

wait a sec

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China's economy has been on self-depreciation and virtually undervalued for years, simple fact is they're sole focus is in export, they get too wealthy, they price themselves out of that export game and sink like a rock... a rock with a torpedo motor on it
They'll bide their time while they can prop up the other areas of their economy with other things for now and it doesn't take long before the population will put up with being kept where they are and will want to import luxuries as well into their domestic markets along with wages which are comparative to developed countries.

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Originally posted by malek Another great decision was made by this "new govt" and it may have slipped under the radar in the ROC. The Army wanted to buy 30 brand new Coach buses via a public tender, the winning company is SETRA, a German company. SETRA outbid one, MCI from winnipeg, of the two canadian companies who build these kind of buses (the other is Prévost in Montréal) by a measily 2,000$ a bus! The total contract is valued at 15 million$ So to save 60,000$ over a 15 million$ contract, provincial and federal govts lost much much more on income and other taxes.

Yes and logistically, to ship those buses from Canada, the $60,000 would get eaten easily.

We're splitting hairs here anyways and you're right, the government could have probably ponied up the shortfall.
Problem is, we don't know the details of the tender unless you can find it?

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Military contract = secrecy ?

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Originally posted by malek Military contract = secrecy ?

Not really.

It's only secret in that going to the procurement process, there's so much bureaucratic red tape and mumbojumbo that you just can't understand WTF is being bought from whom

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

I have written once a public tender document at the provincial level, my part was about 30 pages, after it being sent to the treasury board, about 60 pages were added of legal crap and what not.

I can't imagine how complex it would be at big phat defence dept, in the phattest bureaucratic city of them all: ottawack.

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Originally posted by malek I have written once a public tender document at the provincial level, my part was about 30 pages, after it being sent to the treasury board, about 60 pages were added of legal crap and what not. I can't imagine how complex it would be at big phat defence dept, in the phattest bureaucratic city of them all: ottawack.

There's a reason why NDHQ is so fucking big.

I forgot how many people it actually employs, but it's a very significant chunk of total people in CF (plus civvie workers)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

This whole thing is has more to do with economic conformity than anything political anyways.
It's just up to the politcal realm to make it happen.

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