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Abhay
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Registered: May 2004
Location: mould coast

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Found a quote recently that made me think of this thread. I didn't want to start a new thread about being "jaded," so I decided to bump this one:

"All the excitement that I felt in the mid-eighties, when I came across white labels in Chicago, and all the excitement I felt when people began doing drug-riddled events in Britain, which were later called "raves," but at that time were just drug-riddled events, you know, is gone. I feel there's just formalization, commodification, assimilation -- all the things that were the enemy in the seventies are back with a vengeance and it doesn't excite me. I was excited by music in the sixties because it was sexy, rebellious, and everyone hated it. It confused even me. I'd never come across it before, and I didn't know what the next sound was going to be. Adding to this appeal was the fact that often I couldn't go out and buy it anywhere. I couldn't see it on television and it wasn't in magazines, except scare stories saying it was destroying civilization. I liked that, you see. I think that's what we're supposed to be doing. We're supposed to scare everyone. We're supposed to try and find things that are sexy. We're supposed to feel confused and exhilarated and to have experiences we never had before. We're not meant to get jaded. We're not meant to know the ruling peer group's approved mode of dress or how to dance to it in advance. The expected is the enemy. When I woke up one morning and realized I knew what the flyers for the raves would look like and what software was used to do the graphics and that there would be Hindu deities on the back, even the choice of typefaces and how long it was going to last. When I even knew all the DJs and what they were going to play, and I knew the people who did the light show, and I knew exactly what videos they were going to use I thought, "Why do I go? Why on earth would I go to this?" "So it's on a beach...big deal. You know, I can go to a beach and take drugs anyway. I don't need to go and deal with 10,000 people who do not think, you know?" The joy of true creativity is the exploration of the unpredictable. At the point that creative energy becomes fully predictable and formularized, the flickering spirit of the divine is extinguished and camouflaged conservatism takes over, fed by the desire of many to be safe within the familiar.

- Genesis P-Orridge (quoted in Modulations: A History of Electronic Music, 2000)



Wow.

OK.

I want that book/dvd etc,

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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by couch-potato
Really now, would you really want everything to be the same after all of these years?

Things can be the same, yet different. Being the same doesn't mean being samey.


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Darkarbiter
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Registered: Mar 2007
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I don't think it'll ever happen with me with psy/ambient, but then I just keep finding new good stuff.


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pwnage1
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I don't think it'll ever happen with me with psy/ambient, but then I just keep finding new good stuff.
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Domesticated
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My friends say to me all the time "do you like ANYTHING?"

I've gotten more and more picky over the years. The knowledge that comes with experience and immersion into electronic music is both good and damaging. Ignorance is bliss in some ways.

However, this "jaded-ness" means that when I see a really good act, I appreciate it on a level about 1000 above what they do.


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Imagin
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Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Baltimore, Maryland

I know I sound like a broken record but this same logic applies to Hip Hop.

Most of the core listeners start out mainstream and delve deeper and deeper and start to jade themselves from records that are purely made "to be fun". Its an unfortunate thing that happens as your taste become more refined because you shut yourself out from tunes that may be commercialized but you really like.

Its up to the true music lover to keep the window open to even "bubble gum" music within their genre and what find what appeals to them.

Hell with most everyone on this board being a DJ/Producer in some form or another hell take a track that has potential, put your spin on it and show people the record it should of been all along. The beauty of a Remix.


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Domesticated
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The cycle works like this:

1. Visit your first club, usually a crappy local, take your first drugs and prepare to be amazed at it all. See your first DJ who becomes your favourite.

2. Attempt to make clubbing your life. Partially succeed.
Go clubbing every single weekend, revelling in how much fun it is and how many new people you've met.

3. Start taking an interest in track names and DJs, buying and/or downloading music.

4. Possibly get into DJing yourself and get pissed off when you realise what a two-bit hack your first/favourite DJ really is.

5. Start going to better clubs and paying outrageous amounts of money to see big name jocks.

6. You start producing.

7. 80% of the tracks you listen to seem shit by now. There's not enough bi-polarised frequency negativatisation applied to that bit-crushed, superlative sine-wave synth leading the song.

8. You laugh at those terribly uneducated dolts who don't know about music released four years ago.

9. You begin to score a few small gigs.

10. You begin to score a few larger gigs.

11. You release your first track to critical acclaim.

12. You officially have the respect of "cool people".

13. One of your new tracks makes it onto the radio. "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" you scream.

14. Bookings pour in from EVERYWHERE.

15. You go swimming in a pool of cash while off your head on coke.

16. You go to rehab.

17. You go to rehab again.

18. Finally clean, you decide it's time to return to the studio.

19. You spend 6 months finding vocalists from far and wide.

20. You release an album which reaches number 1. You are officially a sell-out. When die-hard fans tell you this, you tell them to fuck off. You've been around the block; a lot longer than they have, at any rate. You're not "selling out", you're simply evolving your sound and trying to get away from your boring past. You're sick of all the stuff you used to play.


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SYSTEM-J
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PETRAN called me an "epic house fanboy" and, cheesy as it sounds, I felt I really found my place in music again when I started listening heavily to it. So it can happen. Only problem is I'm a bit more jaded about "the scene" than about a long dead subgenre.

I think one of the laws of reality is that everything always goes to shit eventually.


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Sykonee
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quote:
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I think one of the laws of reality is that everything always goes to shit eventually.

I thought that was only for organic matter on Earth.


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quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
When I got into dance music I was an angsty young teenager, like most people who get into dance music. I fully bought into the PLUR idea because dance music brought me both the counterculture attitude and ironically the sense of belonging that my angsty self needed growing up.


This was my utopian 'additional reason' for liking dance music. But I soon relaised it was all about the sound and nothing to do was being anti-establishment. I work for the UK Government FFS!!!

As with others I am cynical about certain genres and forever hunting down the good stuff within these, but every now and again some fluffy anjuna-trance comes along, it is highly un-original, follows all the rules and is instantly playlisted by Armin etc but I just can't help but love it still.

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