I tip well. I was raised as a very generous tipper. Shit service or not I still tip. If I think my service was crap I'll let them know, but I'll still tip.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I tip well. I was raised as a very generous tipper. Shit service or not I still tip. If I think my service was crap I'll let them know, but I'll still tip.

but, why? I mean seriously, a tip is (in ithe terms we speak in europe anyway) to signify good service. It's a sign of gratitude. I don't get why you'd tip bad service, not tipping them is enough. However when abroad which is when we eat out most, we tend to check up on places, by the menu, the number of locals in there, which often shows the quality of a place etc.

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Originally posted by Ian but, why? I mean seriously, a tip is (in ithe terms we speak in europe anyway) to signify good service. It's a sign of gratitude. I don't get why you'd tip bad service, not tipping them is enough. However when abroad which is when we eat out most, we tend to check up on places, by the menu, the number of locals in there, which often shows the quality of a place etc.

That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

Take a look at www.tipthepizzaguy.com & you'll see. They often have to (ab)use their own cars & pay out-of-pocket for fuel & the like. After all that is factored in, it's just bad to not tip. When you order for delivery, it signified that you can afford it. If you can afford delivery, than you certainly should be able to afford some 25% more to compensate the driver, otherwise, you could've picked it up yourself. And this is all coming from someone who never worked one day in this type of industry & does not even drive.

I have money, I can tip so I do. I don't see a reason not to tip, ever.

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Originally posted by ali92 That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

It's your own fault you have a bad job, I'm not there to give you a big tip because I feel sorry for how much you make, I tip because I had great food, I got my food and I was satisfied with my food. I don't go to a sit in dine in restaurant if I'm in a hurry. If it takes a lil while to get my food that so be it. You don't know the chaoticness that goes on in a kitchen. If you know there is a chance you may run into bad service, don't be lazy and cook your own damn food.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I always tip at places I plan on going to again. Even if the service is shitty, if I ever plan on going to that place ever again, I tip somewhere around 20%+ I can think of few restaurant experiences where I felt that the attendant did a bad job - there's usually many variables to consider but as long as I get drinks, food, & bill, I am generally pleased with the service. Was the water/waitress really busy? Were they handling like 7 tables at once because someone decided not to show up tonight? are they totally new at the job? All things to consider. Some of you have this fucked up psycho-conditional streak where you believe that tipping should be something done as incentive, like you're fucking Pavlov ringing a bell. No, tipping is not a required thing, but do you honestly believe that after a waiter/waitress gets their $0.43 tip, they will think to themselves "gee, I should do a better job next time" or will they think to themselves "wow, what a righteous idiot fucking cunthead"? Whatever though - I have always operated under the adage that the true measure of a person's character is how they treat those who are least important to them. Tipping shouldn't be some form of behavioural control.

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Originally posted by ali92 That is indeed what it originally meant & still means. The problem is the workers' standard pay isn't anywhere near that good to consider a tip a reward (imagine you are making roughly 5 USD/hour for just 7 hours of service & 6 days a week; how can you live off of that in a major city?).

isn't there a minimum wage over there that has to be strictly enforced? I mean i know tips are important, my brother waited on for years throughout college on min wage for an 18-21 y/o plus tips and it wasn't a lot but he got by.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I tip because I had great food, I got my food and I was satisfied with my food.

But on that note, is the quality of the food or the speed of its preparation really the responsibility of the waiter or waitress? I mean, they didn't even necessarily make your food - they just brought it to you.

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Originally posted by Ian isn't there a minimum wage over there that has to be strictly enforced? I mean i know tips are important, my brother waited on for years throughout college on min wage for an 18-21 y/o plus tips and it wasn't a lot but he got by.

minimum wage doesn't apply to jobs for which tips are a reasonable consideration. That said, I think it's around 6.50 now or something. It's not supposed to be enough to make a good living on, even as it is now (in principal, it shouldn't even exist, but that's for another time). A reasonable number is figured in for tips. I don't know what they do to figure out what a reasonable expectation is for that, but it's in there.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous minimum wage doesn't apply to jobs for which tips are a reasonable consideration. That said, I think it's around 6.50 now or something. It's not supposed to be enough to make a good living on, even as it is now (in principal, it shouldn't even exist, but that's for another time). A reasonable number is figured in for tips. I don't know what they do to figure out what a reasonable expectation is for that, but it's in there.

ok thx, that explains a lot. Minimum wage here is


* £5.35 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older
* A development rate of £4.45 per hour for workers aged 18-21 inclusive
* £3.30 per hour for all workers under the age of 18, who are no longer of compulsory school age.


so for those 22+ like me, nearly $10 i guess.

National minimum wage in the US was brought to $7.25 within the last year, if I recall. Still hardly enough to make a decent living in many areas of the country.

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