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Originally posted by Jeff Button i think i may take a crack at doing a hip-hop mix tonight... nothing but 93-95 classics.

please don't put any PM Dawn or MC Hammer cheese on it...or that's sacrilege and I'll have no choice but to hang you from your hairy bean bag. SRSLY!

...once it's done...paste T/L and post I currently have one from 84-88 classics.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Easy! If things dont change we dont have progress. Now, its one thing to change with a neighbourhood naturally. Its another to force it. For example. When the entertainment district moved in, they didnt try to force out the residents. Not so with the condo movement. My neighbourhood where i live is changing for better and worse. If it gets to the point where i dont like the change, its time to move. How can this city ever progress without change? Honestly, if the city hadnt put a freeze on new liquor licences and forced everyone to concentrate in one area, the clubs would mostly be long gone by now and probably west of Spadina. The problem we have now is artificially created by the city itself.

I agree with alot you have to say Jay, there's certain times where you go a little overboard and are far too 'general' when not taking into consideration all of that factors at play here. I hate what's happening just as much as you, but I also don't agree with such a large concentrated area of downtown being designated for clubs and being owned by clubs. There has to be a balance just like everything in life. Too much of anything isn't good.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button i think i may take a crack at doing a hip-hop mix tonight... nothing but 93-95 classics.

in that case, i'd like to hear Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack

Not really hip hop, but meh, its from in and around there lol.

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Originally posted by DJ Robben in that case, i'd like to hear Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack Not really hip hop, but meh, its from in and around there lol.

Not only is it not hip-hop it's also from like 1996.... Bzzzzzz fail!

Yo Dj ButtON. Play me some EPMD, DR. Dre, Eric B. and Rakim, Pharcyde.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 SOME but not most. And the ones that were have seen their property values rise substantially due to the value that the entertainment has brought. Neighbourhoods change. So you have a choice. Change with it, or collect the payout and move.

The fact that their property values increased, as have most other property values in toronto over the same time period, is not something you can hold against them.

The entertainment district was a forced change as well. The city directed nightlife to that area on purpose - hardly a natural progression.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Not only is it not hip-hop it's also from like 1996.... Bzzzzzz fail! Yo Dj ButtON. Play me some EPMD, DR. Dre, Eric B. and Rakim, Pharcyde.

give me a break, i was 10 in 1996. I'm going on childhood memories.

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Originally posted by Stilez I agree with alot you have to say Jay, there's certain times where you go a little overboard and are far too 'general' when not taking into consideration all of that factors at play here. I hate what's happening just as much as you, but I also don't agree with such a large concentrated area of downtown being designated for clubs and being owned by clubs. There has to be a balance just like everything in life. Too much of anything isn't good.

Depends... If the city designated the area to be zoned for clubs and thats what happened, then thats the way it is. Just like how some areas are zoned residential and its miles and miles of nothing but houses.

What has happened is that for better or worse, the city designated that ALL clubs must go into a certain boundry and now they are trying to undo their own creation in a very unfair way. What they SHOULD do is allow for liquor licencing in other parts of the city and allow the club district to die off naturally instead of bullying everyone out.

Canadians it seems cant deal with balance. It would be great if clubs and condos could mix but they cant. Why not? because the people who move in demand that things change for them and politicians actually listen to their nonsense.

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Originally posted by Skipper The fact that their property values increased, as have most other property values in toronto over the same time period, is not something you can hold against them. The entertainment district was a forced change as well. The city directed nightlife to that area on purpose - hardly a natural progression.

Agreed but no one seemed to have much to say about it until recently did they? Also I doubt that property values would be close to what they are right now on richmond if clubs hadnt brought economic activity to that area. I remember Richmond St back in say 94. You could shoot a cannon down that street at rush hour and not hit a soul.

Most of the stop lights in that part of town arent very old. Maybe 10 years at most. I remember not long ago when there was not one stop light between university and john with exception to the flashing amber light intersection that is still there.

No doubt that most of the whiners are newcomers. What if I moved into a retirement community and then decided to open a club in my backyard? Same diff isnt it? How can people move into clubland and then demand silence all day and night? And the ones who were already there should realize that for better or worse the neighbourhood is what it is and decide whether they wish to be part of it. Where were they when the city declared it to be clubland in the first place?

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Originally posted by Jeff Button I don't think so. I think it's simply due to the fact that it's smack dab in the middle of a now 'condo-land', and they are now rethinking what is more 'valuable' to the city.... a superclub? Or happy residents in a bunch of over priced housing units? My guess is the latter....

i don't know how you can discount that so easily.

the condos are going up no matter what so no one loses on that. the only people that lose with circa opening (even if it's for a year or so) is the current clubs that bring any sort of entertainment in.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 No doubt that most of the whiners are newcomers.

Source?
I have doubt that most of the whiners are newcomers to the area.

I disagree with your point on property values too. In the last 2-3 years, I would think the violence in the area would have a negative effect on property values. I think the property values in the area are mostly tied to the overall toronto housing market.

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Originally posted by Stilez This 'guarantee' of yours would be incorrect. BTW. I take it you don't live in Toronto, otherwise you'd know that pretty much every single club in the 'district' now is either Top 40 or "urban".

You take it wrong.

I put that badly, what i meant is it's not our scene that cause the trouble. By 'bar' I meant the top 40 and urban joints.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS What i meant is it's not our scene that cause the trouble.

That's only cause our scene is tiny compared to the top40 one. Our scene is not without its problems either - namely the drugs and people ODing. So while packing 40,000 ravers in one area might not result in stabbings and shootings, think of how many ODs and other drug-related crap the police and paramedics would have to deal with.

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