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ninetyninej
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Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Sacramento, California

quote:
Originally posted by djGT
"we be broke" now and "we be more broke" later.


yeap

feds should know dropping the rate only postpones the inevitable and actually increases inflation, which will cause for an even more devastating recession :<

....but this does make for more liquid and better a-paper conforming rates which increases my business (which i really needed!)

in the end though the 'credit bubble' will burst along with 2.4 million people that face foreclosure next year, dragging property down another 20%. this is a fact the whole country has to face and will affect almost all areas of the economy. the feds can't stop the recession they can only ease the air out of the bubble. the next few years are going to be very hard.

and to think we all have to pay long and hard for a housing boom that made only a small percentage of the country rich (ie, mortgage lenders, hedge funds, brokers, realtors, etc) and was caused by Greenspan lowering the rates way to low (down to 1% in 2003 and was unnecessarily low because the economy and stock market already rebounded from 9/11) and himself along with the entire federal reserve and rating agencies asleep at the wheel while unregulated hedge funds and 'mortgage lenders' popped up like wild fire and raped the equity of America, most of which was done with illegal and unethical practices.

...and to top it all off, this subprime greed is dragging soooo many countries down with us:

"Debt storm likely to head west and engulf Japan"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma.../15/ccom115.xml

/me pisses on greed.

speaking of greed, angelo mozilo (countrywide ceo) was in the news announcing that every employee selling subprime is fucked (along with a handful of friends of mine):

Countrywide CEO says "out" of subprime business
(reuters.com)

2007-09-18

"We are out of the subprime business," Mozilo said at a Bank of America investment conference in San Francisco. "The only subprime loans that Countrywide will originate will be GSE-eligible, period." -- How noble and prudent of Mozilo to get out of subprime when they can no longer fund the loans...

http://www.reuters.com/article/bank...WEN105420070918

as for the stock market, its very high stakes right now meaning if you put in and pull out of the right stocks you can make a buck but in the long run you will be fucked. leaving your money in or investing in the stock market is as good as burning it.






EDIT:

oh God, just as i post this i read the following on mortgageimplode.com:

House approves bill helping mortgage borrowers
(marketwatch.com)

2007-09-18

Here you have it, folks. The plan is to re-fi borrowers out of unsustainable loans into what will effectively be government subprime loans (and keep inflated home values going a little longer). The new limits will be 0-down; up to $730k for FHA backing. The general public will pay dearly for this. We are blown away by the gall and stupidity of this move. Intervention was the poison; and we are to believe that more intervention (towards the same end) is also the cure.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...91DFE996EDBC%7D


wtf is the gov't thinking, i know there are over 2 million facing foreclosure in the next year or so but lets not inadvertently throw us into the next great depression just to throw them a lifeline and drag the over inflation on longer





EDIT 2:

as if this post wasn't long enough, i thought i'd throw in the fact that the value of the dollar is getting demolished with the fed rate cuts:

Dollar Gets Slammed on Rate Cut
(fxstreet.com)

2007-09-18

"The dollar sank versus the euro, but surged against the yen, after the Fed cut rates by 50 bps, to stem economic pressures from a struggling housing market and alarming credit problems"

http://www.fxstreet.com/technical/m...2007-09-18.html


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ninetyninej
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oh and /me pisses on the federal reserve too

ron paul pwns.



Ron Paul's Bay Area Rally Part 1 & 2





Ron Paul @ Google



/political-rant


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djGT
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: The OC, USA

I hope we don't end up like Japan's housing bubble who's bubbly is still popping after 15 years. Their government even tried to lower interest rates as much as .5% but a bad loan was still a bad loan.

Oh look, the DOW is reaching 14k again.


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Allayla
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The FHA bill isn't a bad thing. Lots of people facing foreclosure and rate hikes will be able to lock into 30yr fixed rates, fha rates are pretty much the same as conforming rates.

Is it like a full qual fha refi or are we talking streamlines? if it's streamlines im getting back into them, i used to fund about 15 streamlines a month back in 2003, such easy loans to do..


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ninetyninej
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Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Sacramento, California

quote:
Originally posted by starboy
The FHA bill isn't a bad thing. Lots of people facing foreclosure and rate hikes will be able to lock into 30yr fixed rates, fha rates are pretty much the same as conforming rates.

Is it like a full qual fha refi or are we talking streamlines? if it's streamlines im getting back into them, i used to fund about 15 streamlines a month back in 2003, such easy loans to do..


The feds lowering rates is a necessary evil that must be done but I truly hope they don't drop them much further. Now everything else, the FHA bill, increasing GSE caps, and loosening requirements of fannie and freddie will be disastrous and make for a much worse recession.

I know there are a lot of people facing foreclosure but bailing them out only postpones the inevitable and will make for an economic depression like we've never seen.

I don't want to see 2 million peoples lose their homes but how does bankrupting the country and putting us into a depression just to bail them out benefit anyone? True they have to go rent a place that they can actually afford and no one wants to lose their home but I'm sorry most will have to face this reality. Most of them, not all, but most got caught up in the real estate hype assuming property would appreciate forever and got into payments and loans that they have no where NEAR the income to afford. That's their bad and there is no such thing as a no risk investment.

These bills and GSE proposed changes just keep them in their homes a little longer and the value overinflated longer. In the big picture we are still going into a recession and from that, once all the sectors are affected and the bailed out homeowners get laid off, get cut salaries, self-employed ones lose business, etc etc etc, they will get foreclosed on eventually. lets not forget the recession hasn't begun and the stock dove when the US labor department said that the previous quarter was supposed to increase about 70,000 jobs and in fact went into the red and lost 4,000 jobs. so make no mistake the recession will happen and making this credit bubble even bigger jeopardizes the whole country and can bankrupt our economic infrastructure.

The feds just need to ease the air out of the bubble at a slow responsible manner and we have to face a couple hard years due to over inflation. There is no easy way out, its simple economics. Bail outs just drag things out and make things worse in the long run. The only bill I'm relatively supporting, which is sort of a bail out but minor, is removing the debt forgiveness tax for those that short sale their home and would normally get taxed on the difference. It sucks to come to that but may be what it takes to make for just a recession and not a full economic depression.

About the only good thing he has done so far this year (from mortgageimplode.com):

Bernanke Says He Opposes Bigger Mortgages for Fannie, Freddie
(bloomberg.com)

2007-09-19

Good; but apparently he doesn't oppose interest-rate bailouts for bankers.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?..._pro&refer=home


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72hrpartyanimal
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Whats after depression...

WARRRRR!!!

seriously though...


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djGT
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quote:
Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
Whats after depression...

WARRRRR!!!

seriously though...

it worked for the Great Depression & WWII.


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it worked for the Great Depression & WWII.


exactly!!


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ninetyninej
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quote:
Originally posted by djGT
it worked for the Great Depression & WWII.


quote:
Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
exactly!!


2008 - recession
2009 - depression
2010 - declare war against iran
2011 - country rebounds due to war


well, i dunno about the above but like the previous post war does boost the economy like no other


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quote:
Originally posted by ninetyninej
2008 - recession
2009 - depression
2010 - declare war against iran
2011 - country rebounds due to war


well, i dunno about the above but like the previous post war does boost the economy like no other

and to keep this related to TA:

2012 - Tiesto voted #1 on DJMag again!

The legend lives on!


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quote:
Originally posted by djGT
and to keep this related to TA:

2012 - Tiesto voted #1 on DJMag again!

The legend lives on!


hehe -- you know the Mayans predicted the world would end at the end of 2012 so that definitely coincides with Tiesto being voted #1


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Yeah, keep lowering rates and destroy the dollar, fucking feds


Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright

"The Fed's dramatic half point cut to 4.75pc yesterday has already caused a plunge in the world dollar index to a fifteen year low, touching with weakest level ever against the mighty euro at just under $1.40."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...bcnsaudi119.xml


China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...cnchina107a.xml


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