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Originally posted by Renegade Ron Paul loses every single primary, mainstream media remains silent because really, who cares.

Im not a Paul fan but its funnier that Rudy gets 10 times the mainstream media coverage where Paul had a much better chance.

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Originally posted by jonSun Im not a Paul fan but its funnier that Rudy gets 10 times the mainstream media coverage where Paul had a much better chance.

yup..

just look at the vote totals before Florida..

A comparison of votes received and state delegates awarded between Rep. Ron Paul and Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Remember which one was labeled the "fringe candidate" from the start:

Iowa
Ron Paul 11,817 10%
Rudy Giuliani 4,097 4%

New Hampshire
Rudy Giuliani 20,395 9%
Ron Paul 18,303 8%

Michigan
Ron Paul 54,434 6%
Rudy Giuliani 24,706 3%

Nevada
Ron Paul 6,077 state delegates 14%
Rudy Giuliani 1,907 state delegates 4%

South Carolina
Ron Paul 15,235 4%
Rudy Giuliani 8,518 2%

Total votes through first six primaries:
Ron Paul 99,789 votes
Rudy Giuliani 57,716 votes

Rudy is endorsing Mccain today...It is unbelievable to me that the reps think they can win with this guy. With the anti-war sentiment in America, even Kucinich could beat Mccain..

And if by some miracle Mccain does win, this picture gives you a good idea of what to expect from his presidency..



alternatively...

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To be fair, Giuliani's much more 'newsworthy', in that he's a bigger celebrity than Paul. And once Rudy started his whole "If you don't vote for me, the terrorists will have won" schtick, he became REALLY newsworthy ("What crazy thing will Rudy do next? Tune in at 6!"). A Ron Paul story ain't gonna grab anywhere near the same kind of ratings.

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This thread is starting to make me laugh.

A. Rudy was the GOP front-runner at one point. Of course he garnered more attention from the media. And the amount of attention he has received has decreased proportionally with his freefall in the polls. As one would expect.

B. Ron Paul performed on par with Rudy in those states largely because he campaigned there and Rudy stayed in Florida and the Feb. 5th states. It's been well documented that the Giuliani campaign hinged their entire success on the big states, and just hoped that the money would continue to flow in until the New York, California, and Florida primaries.

C. Rudy Giuliani got 225,000 more votes in Florida than Ron Paul did, offering a pretty good example of why Ron Paul gets less attention (though I still believe he gets far more media attention than he actually deserves... he makes the Sunday talk show rounds far more than any other candidate with the possible exception of Huckabee).

D. At least Rudy Giuliani knew when to call it quits, and at least John Edwards succeeded in influencing campaign dialogue among the leading candidates. Ron Paul has not succeeded in garnering any major support OR putting pressure on other candidates to address key issues (as Edwards did with healthcare and poverty in the Democratic race). Face it guys, his campaign is over.

E. The delegate total is skewed in Paul's favor because the states that Giuliani DID perform well in are winner-take-all (like Florida), so despite a decent showing, he received no delegates, whereas in the proportionally awarded states, Ron Paul edged out Giuliani. So that doesn't really say much this early about overall popularity. You'd have to look at total votes received... and Giuliani's 225,000 surplus in Florida definitely gives him a solid victory over Paul.

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The longer Paul stays in this race, the more people hear his message. That is what counts here. Many conservatives are slowly waking up to the fact that their party has been hijacked by people with decidedly ANTI-conservative ideas. If Paul can sway just 5% of the electorate away from the GOP..either making them abstain from voting or vote third party, this will guarantee that the neocons (like Mccain) go down in flames this year. Conservatives will be in for a few years of torment with a Hellary presidency...but this just what the doctor ordered IMO. Republicans need to realize what a fatal error they have made in following the neocons down this path. Perhaps by 2012 they will pull themselves together and once again be a viable option for voters. They could be the party of truly limited government, rather than the party of big brother government and pre-emptive war.

Their agenda however is NOT going to change without a crushing defeat. Ron Paul's message is going to fracture the GOP in 2008. He is the democratic party's best friend this election..but by defeating the neocons, he is also the republican party's best friend over the long run.

I voted for Ron Paul..

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Originally posted by Renegade Ron Paul loses every single primary, mainstream media remains silent because really, who cares.

people who aren't buffoons

This is a good and perhaps rather revealing video from 1988


Ron Paul - The American Power Structure

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Revealing interview from the August, 1988 broadcast of Frank Morrow's "Alternative Views" found at archive.org. It cements Dr. Paul's place as America's leading economic prophet crying in the wilderness and a voice we ignore at our own loss. At the time of the interview, Dr. Paul was the Libertarian candidate for president. From the original description: "Former four-term Congressman Ron Paul describes the American power structure. As a member of the House Banking and Currency Committee, Paul was in a unique position to see the inner workings of economic power and control of the country, and how this power translates into political power. Paul describes how, through the control of the Federal Reserve and the banking system, the American power elite is basically out of reach of the democratic system." There's a lot of information contained. Dr. Paul rightly states that many politicians in DC aren't informed about the nature of banking or economics, a condition that serves the interests of the central banking establishment. He also rightly states that the Federal Reserve, due to its secrecy and power, is nothing less than evil. This American agrees. And Ron Paul is still the only candidate from either party that isn't a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Please excuse the sub-standard editing job. It's my first venture with video software (thanks http://www.squared5.com). This interview was originally released to the net under the Creative Commons license: Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States "DEFINITION OF THE ALTERNATIVES IS THE SUPREME INSTRUMENT OF POWER"

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Originally posted by Trancer-X people who aren't buffoons

I'm going to start pointing out ad hominems.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I'm going to start pointing out ad hominems.

that's a pretty large task when we're talking about trancer mate!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's a pretty large task when we're talking about trancer mate!

Well he's on ignore, so it will just be the posts that I bother reading.

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