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Originally posted by biznology have you listened to a creative? its worlds better, even on terrible speakers - assuming you set a decent EQ|

I have owned a Creative player before, and have a bunch of friends who still own one. Almost all of them wish they had a different player, for varying reasons though. And, to say the sound quality is 'worlds better' is a massive exaggeration. Go and test the difference in sound quality output on a few types of studio monitors, and see how much difference you find. Not much. At all.

Though, I have only attempted to test the difference (between MP3 players) on Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I have owned a Creative player before, and have a bunch of friends who still own one. Almost all of them wish they had a different player, for varying reasons though. And, to say the sound quality is 'worlds better' is a massive exaggeration. Go and test the difference in sound quality output on a few types of studio monitors, and see how much difference you find. Not much. At all. Though, I have only attempted to test the difference (between MP3 players) on Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's.

well like i said, it depends on the set up on the player, the speakers/headphones and the encoding quality - i can hear a noticeable difference, plus many mp4 files are lower quality than some higher rated mp3s.

creatives are annoying in certain ways, but so are ipods and at least with newer creatives you can choose to subscribe, or not. using ID tags IS annoying, but they also generally have a higher signal to noise ration than most other players as well (and you can easily make playlists, and much more easily than earlier players)|

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Originally posted by biznology well like i said, it depends on the set up on the player, the speakers/headphones and the encoding quality - i can hear a noticeable difference, plus many mp4 files are lower quality than some higher rated mp3s.

Well yeah, obviously the headphones/speakers/encoding quality makes a difference, but we're not talking about high quality audio here, it's MP3 or MP4. Not analogue or CD quality, just compressed audio, and I have honestly found the difference to be highly negligible.

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Originally posted by biznology creatives are annoying in certain ways, but so are ipods

YES! Annoying as fuck! Both of them!

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Originally posted by biznology and at least with newer creatives you can choose to subscribe, or not. using ID tags IS annoying, but they also generally have a higher signal to noise ration than most other players as well (and you can easily make playlists, and much more easily than earlier players)|

Admittedly, my Creative player was an older one (I can't remember the model now) and I'm sure they've stepped up they're technology.

And bear in mind, I specifically didn't want a chunky sized one this time around, as I find it unnecessary. But I find my E10 to be PERFECT for what I need, and have had zero issues with it. Especially with sound quality. Mootmootmootpoint

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yeh, but a technology that should inherently let you do what you want with it, now MUST have a bunch of shit wrong with it to keep people from truly doing what they want with it.

i bought my gf a creative that is great on battery, sound, shows pics.

BUT it cant show videos, looking at pictures means no music, all music is organized by tags...WHAT?! my cell phone can do those things without problem...but the music industry still has influence.


its a best of the worst scenario. whatever you like and are willing to deal with - will be what you get|

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Originally posted by biznology yeh, but a technology that should inherently let you do what you want with it, now MUST have a bunch of shit wrong with it to keep people from truly doing what they want with it.

I'm not totally sure what you're referring to? Do you mean DRM etc?

No piece of technology (unless you're talking about professional gear) is going to do EXACTLY what you want, as the companies that produce them have to make the equipment according to the 'general' user base. MP3 players are VERY general now.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Well, that's sort of a moot point anyway. You're listening to MP3's, which are highly compressed anyway, and sound crappy. The difference between the various players' sound quality is almost negligible.

Except that mp3s only cut sounds which you cannot hear anyway and only a select few individuals in the entire world can actually hear a major difference. It's virtually impossible to hear the difference even on the best sound systems, and pretty much no chance on a portable mp3 player.

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Originally posted by Fledz Except that mp3s only cut sounds which you cannot hear anyway and only a select few individuals in the entire world can actually hear the difference

Lol! In theory. The compression isn't as 'exact' as you seem to think. (Nice edit, too)

Seriously though, do you honestly mean to tell me that you can't tell the difference between CD quality sound, and MP3 quality sound? It really isn't too hard to make the distinction.

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It's pretty damn tough dude, and I've got bloody good studio monitors aswell. Point is, it's what in science you would call "insignificant".

Oh and the edit was for clarity

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Depends on the CD really, some of them are in ADD (analogue recording-digital mastering-digital recording) or even AAD which you can pick between a DDD CD.
Same with your mp3 quality, (under 160kbs I notice) but it really depends from the source, say if I ripped it down off vinyl and onto mp3 has a bit of 'character' to it compared to straight off a CD's wav file.
Which in of itself can be of varying quality like I mentioned.

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Originally posted by Fledz It's pretty damn tough dude, and I've got bloody good studio monitors aswell. Point is, it's what in science you would call "insignificant". Oh and the edit was for clarity

Bah. MP3's just sounds "Muddy" compared to CDs or records.

I have Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's for reference, and you REALLY can tell the difference.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Bah. MP3's just sounds "Muddy" compared to CDs or records. I have Yamaha HS-80s and Alesis Monitor 2's for reference, and you REALLY can tell the difference.

Are you sure you're listening to 320kpbs MP3? Because if they aren't then this discussion is pointless.

And I have Dynaudio BM5a's so I'm not lacking in quality either

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