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Skipper
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quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
In the examples above (automotive/manufacturing/forestry sectors) don't just think about the Canadian exporters. Consider how difficult it might be for (US) importers to unwind contracts with Canadian companies. Especially if they are multi-year, multi-million or billion dollar contracts. It's just not that simple. Depending on the industry, it could be very difficult to find replacement suppliers, let alone ones that have the skills or expertise reuired AND have excess capacity. These types of structural shifts in the economy and across industries will take years, not days.

Anyway, there are enough sound arguments on both sides to make your head spin. Personally, I am very skeptical when I read the newspaper or listen to people express their opinions about this topic, as almost everyone has a vested interest in one argument or the other, or really just aren't qualified to make a rationale assessment -- present company (i.e. ME) included.


Besides being canadian and living in a changing economy, what is your vested interest, if you don't mind me asking?

The loonie didn't appreciate from 60 cents overnight...it's been quick, but not that quick. And it's not just limited to auto/forestry/etc either.

From today's globe:
quote:
High dollar hammers profits
Magna, Manulie and AbitibiBowater lead list of companies blaming currency for reduced earnings
GREG KEENAN , BERTRAND MAROTTE and TARA PERKINS
With a file from reporter John Partridge
November 7, 2007
From food and financial services to forest products and auto parts, the soaring dollar has created upheaval for Canadian businesses in the third quarter.

Magna International Inc., Canada's biggest auto parts maker said yesterday it has closed some Canadian plants and shifted the work to Mexico, the country's largest life insurance company took a $56-million currency hit and losses deepened at a forest industry giant as the dollar neared parity in the three months ended Sept. 30.

That was before it reached the magic level of equality with the U.S. dollar, let alone the eye-popping value of $1.0852 (U.S.) hit yesterday.

Manulife Financial, AbitibiBowater Inc., dairy giant Saputo Inc. and CI Financial also blamed the soaring currency for diminished results in their latest reports.

Magna said the currency's rise has already forced it to shut some operations in Canada and shift work to Mexico and the U.S. There may be more to come, Magna said.

"Certainly some of our Canadian plants have come under pressure and the result so far has been unfortunately a shutdown of some facilities in Canada with a move into other jurisdictions including Mexico, the United States, as well as Asia," Magna's chief financial officer Vince Galifi said during a conference call.

Mr. Galifi would not identify any plants closed, but news releases earlier this year announced the shutdown of a plant in Aurora, Ont., and another in London, Ont.

"As a result of the continued increase in the value of the Canadian dollar relative to the U.S. dollar, our Canadian manufacturing facilities may have greater difficulty competing with facilities located outside Canada," the company said.

Mr. Galifi's comments came as Magna issued a warning about the potential impact of the dollar's rise. The warning came even as Magna reported profit surged more than 65 per cent in the quarter from year-earlier levels.

At Manulife, currency fluctuations lopped $56-million off its third-quarter bottom line, which still came in at $1.07-billion, up 10 per cent from a year ago.

On a conference call, chief executive officer Dominic D'Alessandro said the firm will ask its shareholders again if they would prefer the company switch its reporting currency to the U.S. dollar.

"It's something that could be easily accommodated," Mr. D'Alessandro said. "I'm sure you could program your little machine there, and just multiply all the numbers by 108 over 100 or vice versa, and get all the numbers in U.S. dollars if it's a fixation."

Chief financial officer Peter Rubenovitch acknowledged the dollar is going to make it hard for the firm to meet targets if the strength keeps up.

"I would say, obviously, the [Canadian] dollar-reported earnings can't rise at our target pace if you've got to carry 10- or 15-per-cent change in the exchange rate. But, that's not likely to be a sustainable burden." Mr. D'Alessandro said Manulife had been planning on the dollar being over par "but certainly not $1.08."

The currency swings helped push losses at Abitibi-Consolidated Inc. to more than double those of a year earlier, before one-time items, in the firm's final quarter before it merged with Bowater Inc. to create AbitibiBowater. The combined entity will be North America's largest newsprint producer and a major player in pulp, lumber and commercial paper.

"The results for the quarter are a reflection of the challenging market conditions and impact of the Canadian dollar," said John Weaver, president of the new firm, who added it is going to reassess its operations in a major overhaul and debt-slashing exercise that could include asset sales.

James Rowland of Montreal-based Canadian Paper Analyst said the merged firm's Canadian mills are going to have a tough time in the corporate review given they no longer enjoy the competitive advantage of a low dollar. "A lot of them will be offside on the cost curve," Mr. Rowland said. Quebec-based operations will also be under the gun because of the difficult softwood fibre supply situation in the province, he added. "It's coming down to crunch time and there are going to be some closure announcements," he said. "It's going to be painful for the next year or two."

Profit improved at dairy products maker Saputo Inc., but the strong dollar reduced revenue by $29-million.

CI Financial Income Fund also reported improved results, but pointed out the loonie's climb reduced market returns measured in Canadian dollars.

Although the S&P 500 index and the Dow Jones industrial average rose by 2 and 4.2 per cent, respectively, during the quarter, this translated to losses of 4.2 and 2.2 per cent, respectively, in Canadian dollar terms.

Feeling the pain

How the soaring loonie is having an impact on Canadian companies.

Rona Inc.

The home improvement retailer says the appreciation appears to be encouraging Canadian consumers to delay home renovation projects in favour of travelling abroad.

Sears Canada Inc.

It became the latest retailer to reduce some prices, saying it has cut some of its regular prices on a permanent basis because of the strong dollar.

Calfrac Well Services Ltd.

The company says the strong dollar - as well as uncertainty about Alberta's new royalty regime and low natural gas prices - "will continue to negatively impact drilling levels in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin throughout the remainder of the year and, potentially, into 2008."

Noranda Inc.

It reported weaker earnings amid lower zinc recovery, hedging losses, a lower volume of zinc metal sales - and a stronger Canadian dollar.


slingshot, I think any Alberta slowdown has already started with the announcement of the increased royalties on oil and gas producers in the province. The analyst reports I've read are saying there are a lot of details still to be ironed out, but the general consensus is that it's certainly not going to bring any MORE business into the area...several major producers have stated their intentions to move production outside the province.

I agree the US economy hovering on the brink of a recession due to the housing situation is amplifying the rise of our dollar - all I'm really saying is that I don't believe the net effect is positive unless Canada can loosen its export ties with the US and become a more global exporter.

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The Amero will save us. LOL

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The Amero will save us. LOL


Shh...first rule of the SPP, there is no SPP.

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The low dollar is great for American exporters! MADE IN USA!


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English Rachel
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quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
The low dollar is great for American exporters! MADE IN USA!


Absolutely, hopefully this will have a balancing effect on the rising superpower that is China

They are taking over the world
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To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk/technolog...ment.secondlife

Virtual China looks for real benefits
Victor Keegan
Thursday November 1 2007
The Guardian


Anyone who still thinks that virtual worlds such as MindArk's Entropia Universe or Second Life are the plaything of geeks should look at what is happening in China. It is simply mind-boggling and, if it all comes off, has awesome implications for western economies. I have written before about how the Beijing municipality in partnership with private capital (and with help from MindArk of Sweden) is planning a virtual world for around 150m avatars, of which 7m could be online at the same time. This is so far above the capability of the much-hyped Second Life, which rarely has more than 50,000 online concurrently, that I had some difficulty in believing it.

So when I saw Robert Lai, chief scientist of the Beijing Cyber Recreation District project, at last week's excellent Virtual Worlds forum in London, I asked him whether it was really true they were planning on such a scale.

No, he replied, it wasn't true. The project is much, much bigger than that. There are nine similar virtual universes being planned. China is converting a 100 sq km site (yes, that is a very big space) on the former nationalised steel mill site to house, among other things, virtual worlds able to support not millions or tens of millions but billions of avatars. When I looked puzzled, he said that people still did not realise how big a country China was. And he is right. It is tempting to dismiss all this as an Asian phenomenon with no implications for us. That would be a serious mistake. It is about the availability of broadband, not culture. The sky is no longer the limit. The world is changing.

And how. When I asked Professor Lai to explain what this was all about, he touched his shirt. This, he said, cost $1 when it left China but he noticed, walking around the shops, that it would retail at $20 over here. This project is about staking a claim to that value added. And not just in shirts. A western avatar wandering around one of these virtual worlds could almost as easily be ordering a car built to his specification for delivery in the UK. Goods that were made in China could have web addresses to take western buyers direct to a Chinese website for further purchases or replacements. There will of course, be games - they are a big part of industry these day - but this is a bold attempt to repeat what China has done in manufacturing (ie, conquering the world) in services. Be warned.

It doesn't stop there. This site, now under construction, will have all the infrastructure (server farms, communication links, electricity, banking links, logistics etc) needed to make this the world's one-stop shop for consumers and producers. China, which is hosting a conference on the subject next month, wants companies around the globe to set up here - the likes of Cisco, IBM or western virtual worlds - to take advantage of state-of-the art communications, infrastructure and (for the moment) cheap wages. It could be a difficult proposition for many corporations to resist.

If it were anyone but China planning this you would take it with a pinch of salt. But this is not the NHS, it is the world's biggest manufacturing country pitching to lead the next stage of development as the internet moves into three dimensions. When I asked the professor whether the coming of virtual worlds would be on a scale commensurate with the industrial revolution, he replied: "It will be faster, bigger, more like an explosion."

At the moment, Britain and other western economies benefit from cheap Chinese manufactured goods and the low inflation they bring while also benefiting from huge wholesale, retail and distribution markups on the same goods. If they too migrate to China, what will there be left for us to do? That is a very serious question.

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quote:
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The low dollar is great for American exporters! MADE IN USA!


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Orko
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Seems like most of what you guys have been saying, is true.


  1. We are an export, resource based economy
  2. The USA is importing less than they used to from Canada
  3. Oil and other natural resources are driving our exports



quote:
Canada's exports to China surged in the first part of this year, as the eastern economic giant's appetite for Canadian metals, crude oil, chemicals, potash and agricultural goods picked up ahead of the 2008 Olympic games in Beijing.

According to a Statistics Canada report released Thursday, Canada's exports to China nearly doubled to $8-billion in 2006 from $4-billion in 2002. In the first seven months of 2007, they soared 43 per cent over the same period one year ago, the largest gain by any of the G-7 countries.

Although Canada still imports far more from China than it exports — $21.7-billion as of July, 2007 compared to $5.5- billion — export growth has outpaced imports by a wide margin this year. China is now sitting neck and neck with Japan as Canada's third largest export market.

“Canada is clearly benefiting from the magnitude of China's demand for natural resources,” said Statistics Canada's Diana Wyman. “The nation of more than 1.3 billion people is expanding its manufacturing base and building massive infrastructure projects, from ports and bridges to facilities for the 2008 Olympic Games.”

Chinese demand accelerated in 2007, at the same time as prices for metals, potash, canola and industrial goods have climbed. In addition, China is now Canada's second-largest consumer of crude oil, which is also trading at record highs.

Canadian trade has diversified in recent years, Statscan said. Rising demand from Europe and Asia, combined with relatively flat demand growth in the United States, led to a sharp rise in the share of Canadian exports heading to countries other than the U.S., which has long been Canada's biggest trading partner.

Nearly a quarter, or 24 per cent, of Canadian exports are now headed for non-U.S. countries, up from 16 per cent five years ago.

“The recent shift to increased trade with the rest of the world was well-timed, given the onset of the housing-induced slowdown south of the border,” Ms. Wyman said. “All regions of Canada have benefited from this shift in exports toward non-U.S. countries.”

Ontario was the biggest beneficiary of this trend, with exports to countries other than the United States rising nearly $20-billion since 2002. “Ontario's auto sector may have slowed, but the overseas demand for its nickel, gold, and uranium resources, as well as aircraft, high-tech and other machinery, is on the rise,” Ms. Wyman said.

Canada's sources of imports also have shifted, with a record-high 35 per cent coming from countries other than the U.S. in 2007, up from 25 per cent in 2002. More than half of that increase is attributable to China.

So what kind of Canadian goods is China devouring? Industrial products like metals, fertilizers such as potash, chemicals like ethylene glycol, which is used to make polyester, make up just over half of Canadian exports to China, Statscan said. They are set to triple their 2002 values in 2007.

Forestry and agricultural materials, like wood pulp, grains and canola, machinery, energy and consumer goods are some of the other Canadian exports to China.

China's economy has been on a tear in recent years, and the country is now in the midst of a construction boom. The building spree has picked up as it prepares dozens of stadiums and other venues for the 2008 Olympics games in the capital city of Beijing. The massive building and infrastructure projects have boosted demand for Canadian natural resources.

Canadian metal exports to China are running 70 per cent higher in 2007 than in 2006, Statscan said, a much faster pace than in previous years.

Energy has never been a major export to China, but Canadian crude oil shipments to China topped $150-million in the first seven months of 2007, opening up a potentially large market for Canadian crude. Statscan said increased trade was a result of China and Canada testing the “logistics of shipping Alberta oil through the Port of Vancouver.”

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Interesting points from this article:

  1. Ontario has actually increased its exports over the last few years, even with the rising dollar
  2. Ontario is still exporting manufacturing goods, but the focus has shifted away from the auto industry
  3. China is not only willing to buy our oil companies, but also to buy our oil
  4. China needs building materials for the Olympics, and their incredible boom
  5. Canada is exporting less to the USA, but more to other parts of the world

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I just went to the bank today to deposit my check, and they asked me if I wanted to get some US dollars I said "sure why not? how much is $300 USD?" the teller said $287 CAD I laughed out loud and yelled out 'DEAL!' and people stared at me lol

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Skipper
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I just went to the bank today to deposit my check, and they asked me if I wanted to get some US dollars I said "sure why not? how much is $300 USD?" the teller said $287 CAD I laughed out loud and yelled out 'DEAL!' and people stared at me lol


That means the exchange rate on that deal was 1.04. the dollar is trading at over 1.07.

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That means the exchange rate on that deal was 1.04. the dollar is trading at over 1.07.


you would get 1.07 on a deal worth 5 million dollars not 300 bucks, the more money you exchange the better rate you get. The rate you see on TV is calculated towards millions of dollars.

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How often does the bank adjust their posted exchange rate, then?
*checks latest beatport receipt*

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quote:
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you would get 1.07 on a deal worth 5 million dollars not 300 bucks, the more money you exchange the better rate you get. The rate you see on TV is calculated towards millions of dollars.


Your face is a million dollars.!

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