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Originally posted by Spirit5 I've already said I don't mean to imply that, I mean to imply those who feel like they've been there because they feel back then it was so much better..but my question is..have they actually experienced something or are they just basing it off of what others have told them? Maybe you need to read my later posts on this thread to understand.

no you should start to read the posts because a few have already answered that indeed you may have started listening to trance recently but still be able to pick up an oldie from 1993 and enjoy it just as much as if it was picked up back when it was released.
Why do you insist on that people here are lying about what they actually feel about the music? Why would they base it on what others have told them? That is ridicilous.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Because I have posted on this forum for two years and have yet to really enjoy the discussion because it almost always turns into arguments about whose trance is better, what is REAL trance, whose music sucks...etc etc etc. It's not about my problems, it's about my problem with this forum and these threads that always turn into the same old "those were the glory days, nothing else comes close!" like those feelings are shared throughout..by everyone and I am in the minority when there's plenty of people who like the same stuff. So why can't we just discuss it without arguing? And my beef with TA is because it's a misleading title for a forum where only those who have a certain mindset or certain style they like..are accepted. Like trance? There's going to be people on here who don't like trance. Don't like trance? There's going to be people on here who like trance. And the elitists...well they speak as if they speak for everybody and bash those who might like something different or think differently or approach the music differently or whatnot...I came on this forum hoping to talk to others who liked the same type of music, but I find it's not really so much about the music I like.

Well, what the hell is it you wanna discuss if you're so uncomfortable with people having opinions different from yours?

This is an appreciation/"what if?"/hypothetical bs/whatever thread about early trance. You're the one coming in here doing the arguing, writing a shitload of text trying to find some stupid reason why it's supposedly "silly" to like early trance.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 no you should start to read the posts because a few have already answered that indeed you may have started listening to trance recently but still be able to pick up an oldie from 1993 and enjoy it just as much as if it was picked up back when it was released. Why do you insist on that people here are lying about what they actually feel about the music? Why would they base it on what others have told them? That is ridicilous.

I don't think they are lying, I think they are rather so focused on this old stuff and ignore new stuff like trance is dead and this old stuff was so much better or different. Or that this stuff was the only REAL trance. That's what I am against, not liking older music, I like this older stuff too. And I appreciate people exposing me and others to it. Or that every track having a 3 minute breakdown....that's equally not true like assumptions I have made. Not every new track released has a "3 minute breakdown" or "super-saws" or any of that crap.

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Originally posted by SMC Well, what the hell is it you wanna discuss if you're so uncomfortable with people having opinions different from yours? This is appreciation/"what if?"/hypothetical bs/whatever thread about early trance. You're the one coming in here doing the arguing, writing a shitload of text trying to find some stupid reason why it's supposedly "silly" to like early trance.

I don't mind people having different opinions, but when there's theads with people wanting to discuss new trance, they should be able to just as much as old trance. That's not letting others have different opinions either, because some people might like ASOT, Armin or the new stuff. I like early trance, I'm not trying to imply it sucks.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I don't think they are lying, I think they are rather so focused on this old stuff and ignore new stuff like trance is dead and this old stuff was so much better or different. Or that this stuff was the only REAL trance. That's what I am against, not liking older music, I like this older stuff too. And I appreciate people exposing me and others to it. Or that every track having a 3 minute breakdown....that's equally not true like assumptions I have made. Not every new track released has a "3 minute breakdown" or "super-saws" or any of that crap.

have it ever crossed your mind that they maybe enjoy the older stuff more than the new stuff without hating the new stuff? I mean sure there are a few good trance releases but damn are they few nowadays. It's even rarer than a few years ago.
I don't hate new trance. I just feel there are way too few new releases to make the scene any exciting.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 have it ever crossed your mind that they maybe enjoy the older stuff more than the new stuff without hating the new stuff? I mean sure there are a few good trance releases but damn are they few nowadays. It's even rarer than a few years ago. I don't hate new trance. I just feel there are way too few new releases to make the scene any exciting.

Then we need better producers then who can make good trance. But glamorizing in the old isn't going to somehow make things better in the new. We can learn from the old, but focusing on the past so much I feel ignores some of the newer releases which might be worth considering.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I don't mind people having different opinions, but when there's theads with people wanting to discuss new trance, they should be able to just as much as old trance. That's not letting others have different opinions either, because some people might like ASOT, Armin or the new stuff. I like early trance, I'm not trying to imply it sucks.

No one has prevented anyone from having a certain opinion. This is a message board where we exchange opinions, that's how it works.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 but focusing on the past so much I feel ignores some of the newer releases which might be worth considering.

Which releases exactly are we ignoring?

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Originally posted by SMC Which releases exactly are we ignoring?

C-Quence - Impossible, Make Your Own Choice
Bissen - Exhale, Quicksand
Solar Energy - White Moon
Valve - Melancholy
Santiago Nino & Damien Heck - Red Sky (Dunderstadt Dub)
Maor Levi - Shapes (Oliver Smith Remix)
Mike Mikhajan & Mike Saint Jules - Bay Breeze
Kamil Polner - Crystal Heaven
Thomas Datt - Distance
Nick Murray - Illusion
Toby Skark - Prolight (Planisphere Remix)
Joost Van Der Vleuten - Broken Dreams
Mikka Kuisisma's entire new album (okay not ignoring, but still a great album that I agree with)

many more...

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i v'e got to be honest

i considered those newer releases, and they didn't cut it for me



mainly the problems were:

- too samey amongst each other
- they seem to take themselves too seriously
- unoriginal, predictable concepts of melody and phrasing
- very unoriginal in terms of sound design (if you would have asked me when they were made I would have said 2002)



i'm not really into trance anymore these days but I can tell you what kinds of things you might know that I do like so you get an idea: (and these aren't even old school)


Steve Birch - Spaced Out
Steve Birch - Lost Forever
Space Manoevers - Stage One (Separation Mix)
Der Dritte Raum - Hale Bopp (Raumgleitersversion)
Valentino - Flying (Sultan & Tonedepth Remix)
Joker Jam - Innocence
Orbital - Halcyon
Orbital - Belfast
Haak - Bass Shuttle
Humate - 3.1 (Mijk Van Dijk Remix)
Conscious - Northern Lights (POB Remix)
V-One - Dead Cities
Lange - New Life
Paragliders - Lithium
Paragliders - Paraglide (humate's 98 mix)
Paragliders - Infra Rouge
Moogwai - Nord Song
Xian - Pachinko (Chab Dub)
Airwave - Ladyblue (1992 Flight) (pretty much any mix)
Armin van Buuren - Blue Fear
Oliver Lieb - Subraumstimulation (Sander Kleinenberg Remix)
Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (and humate remix)
Paul Van Dyk - Connected (Motomix 05)
Kamaya Painters - Summerbreeze
pretty much anything by Oliver Lieb, Art Of Trance, mwnn

other things like this

there were no competition in that time. I believe that is what killed the scene. Now there is 2 many perfect dj.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK That's assuming that they even knew what that music was. What if it were completely new to them? Now that would make it interesting.

It simply sounds dated, there's too many details that would make anyone immediately associate it with oldschool wannabe "rave", ie, 1 or 2 tracks with hoovers and chipmunk vocals, vocals samples with chicks saying senseless futuristic bullshit like "embrace yourself out there in space", etc. A mainstream crowd would never get it, and an EDM-knowledgable crowd would immediately identify it as dated and uncool.

Doesn't impede it from being totally fucking awesome music.

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