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Originally posted by Krypton http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228...q8Rf8MaRehvaA8F

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A transcript released by the Pakistani government Friday of a purported conversation between militant leader Baitullah Mehsud, who is referred to as Emir Sahib

I'm sorry but

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Originally posted by George Smiley In what way does al-Qaida have the copyright to this style of attack? What?! Have you never heard of Kashmir?!?!?

Nope, Al-Qaeda dominates the scoreboard on suicide bombings HANDS DOWN. In Iraq especially, and around the world.

I have heard of the Kashmir, so when did the Pakistani army send in soldiers to be suicide bombers. If anything, they probably supported the militant groups who in turn sent in their own suicide bombers, just as they're doing today.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I'm sorry but

lol I missed that

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Originally posted by George Smiley You just typed in al-Qaida and Bhutto!

How very astute of you.
Did you noticed the TIME stamps as well?
(I'm going to guess not on your reaction...)

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That's just brought up any mention of the two terms, including the by now 1000s reporting that America and Pakistan are, suprise suprise (sorry, had a Cilla moment there - a joke completely wasted on everyone reading this thread! ), blaming al-Qaida.

Yes, blaming Al-Qaeda is a total waste of time...riiiight...

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The news story you quoted conflicts with what the Pakistan government are saying because they named a different person to what you article named.

True, but them blaming Masharaff (rightly so) doesn't automatically preclude Al-Qaeda when he's had close dealings with anyways.

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a tragedy. corrupt or not, she wasn't going around killing political or ideological opponents as far as i know. as for who is responsible, assuming we know for sure that it was a suicide bomber, there aren't too many suicide bombings than dont feature a religion. i doubt you'd find someone from the state apparatus willing to kill themselves with explosives.


haha @ the stalinist revisionists.

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Originally posted by Krypton Nope, Al-Qaeda dominates the scoreboard on suicide bombings HANDS DOWN. In Iraq especially, and around the world.

According to whom? This is an absurd statement. Many groups used suicide bombings as modus operandi well before al-Qaeda. The first suicide attacks in the Middle East were carried out by the Japanese Red Army, and the Tamil Tigers, Chechen Black Widows, Islamic Jihad, al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, Hezbollah, and Hamas have all probably fostered more suicide attacks than al-Qaeda has. To think al-Qaeda is the only group responsible for suicide attacks is to really oversimplify the world.

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Originally posted by Q5echo yes, it's more moral relativism. it sux rational people can't hide from it. it's the lazy thinking mans way to try and understand the world around him. in the end most of us recognize it holds no water.

What a fluffy post.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Sorry, but anyone else see this as a bad example? The situations aren't even close to being the same...

Why do you say that?*

They've now ordered the military to kill on sight rioters/protestors.

It's getting messy!

A little history on the ISI...

Quite interesting read and I had no idea they (ISI) were that influential in the region and what their connections were with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but after reading it, makes perfect sense.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ews/tomsen.html

[I would have cut and pasted it in but there's just way too much formatting for me to do...I will post who they're interviewing though]

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PBS Frontline Interview: Peter Tomsen Tomsen served as President George H.W. Bush's special envoy and ambassador to the Afghan resistance from 1989 to 1992. Here he lays out the historical background of the Taliban's rise to power and its relationship with Pakistani intelligence, known by its acronym ISI. He also explains the two fears driving Pakistan's Afghanistan policy -- India and Pashtun nationalism. Tomsen believes the ISI knows exactly where Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawarhiri are hiding, and that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf is not fully cooperating with the U.S. "I don't think we're getting our money's worth, and I think we have to take a tougher line," he tells FRONTLINE. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on Aug. 10, 2006.

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

The CIA has more "connections" to Al-Q than ISI, as well as connections to ISI (gee, what a big fucking surprise).

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Originally posted by Lesbianosaur According to whom? This is an absurd statement. Many groups used suicide bombings as modus operandi well before al-Qaeda. The first suicide attacks in the Middle East were carried out by the Japanese Red Army, and the Tamil Tigers, Chechen Black Widows, Islamic Jihad, al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, Hezbollah, and Hamas have all probably fostered more suicide attacks than al-Qaeda has. To think al-Qaeda is the only group responsible for suicide attacks is to really oversimplify the world.

Nope, not in Pakistan. There are no Chechens, Hezbollah, or other groups in Pakistan. Al-Qaeda wins hands down at suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now in plain site, Pakistan. Now some ill-informed people want to attribute the assassination to Masharaff knowing full well that such an event would NOT be in the best interest of Masharaff, most noted by the increase in civil instability which does not benefit Masharaff whatsoever. Masharaff knows his position is untenable and on the edge; which is why he stepped down from the army. But you guys think Masharaff would risk his own position to do something not to his benefit??

Come on, this is the hallmark of Al-Qaeda.

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