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st3nc
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i juste smokeded a clove and i feel alive


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Elec
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
So, in that case, smoking (either actively of passively) is not much different from, let's say, drive without wearing a seatbelt. In both cases, the person involved is not only risking their own life but can also affect those around them (in a rather negative way).

Care to explain how driving without a seatbelt affects anybody else's life in a rather negative way?

Old Post Dec-29-2007 07:24  Lithuania
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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by Elec
Care to explain how driving without a seatbelt affects anybody else's life in a rather negative way?

If you don't wear it and get in an accident, you're more likely to become a vegetable who does little more than generate huge medical bills.

At least that's the argument I've heard.

Old Post Dec-29-2007 07:27  United States
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Elec
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
If you don't wear it and get in an accident, you're more likely to become a vegetable who does little more than generate huge medical bills.

At least that's the argument I've heard.

Oh please. At the same time youre more likely to just straight up die. WIthout real statistics that point is..pointless.

Old Post Dec-29-2007 07:37  Lithuania
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_Ocean_Drive_
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I wish they'd do the same thing in Japan.

There's a massive poster ad campagin in schools at the moment about not smoking; the caption "So I don't smoke" varying from pictures of happy students / professional sportsmen to pictures of cancerous tongues, toes, lungs, and other parts of the body, yet they have cigarette vedning machines in the streets next to coke and beer vending machines.

I also heard the Japanese government has huge shares in the big tobacco firms, hence an apparent reluctance to want to introudce the ban. But really, I hate going out to dinner and having my food caked in someone eles's second-hand smoke and having to come back home and wash my clothes, even though they're not dirty. Argh!


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jonSun
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Registered: Dec 2003
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Originally posted by jupiterone
I can both agree with it and disagree. People should have a right to smoke wherever they please but at the same time not everyone wants to be in the presence of a smoker when they're busy eating a meal.



I can understand restaurants but not clubs or bars. If there is such a demand for a non smoking club in chicago, someone would have opened a chain of them up & gotta filthy rich. So far from what ive heard from bar/club owners is that it has hurt business.


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Old Post Dec-29-2007 09:14  United States
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Sushipunk
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So far from what ive heard from bar/club owners is that it has hurt business.


Same here in Brisbane. Clubs here are ACTIVELY advertising that fact that they have "OMG 3 smoking ares" in the club (outdoor obviously, due to the legislation).

This is getting the clubs in question more business. The smoking sections of the clubs are PACKED, all night. Seriously, these small smoking areas are some of the most popular areas in the club. The club owners WANT to open a bar/serving area in these parts, to cater for the smoking folks, but cannot, due to the laws.

Fine, yes, I'm a smoker. but even in my own house, on my own deck, I won't smoke while there is ANYONE eating, or even if there are a heap of people on my deck, eating or not. I respect that they don't like to breathe the smoke.

I guess at least we're allowed the luxury of having smoking areas in our party places. Sadly though, it's resulted in a shitload of people standing out on the street outside the clubs/pubs, smoking cigs, then tossing their cig-buts on the ground. Because we need more (non-human) trash on the streets.


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st3nc
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driving without a seatbelt is crucial, and IMO not the same as smoking ciggies by far

the negative reprocutions would be....the chances of flying out the the window in a major accident, and possibly barreling into another car on the freeway...which is actually legit


the negative reprocutions for ciggies is... second hand smoke

all second hand smoke arguments are absoultely retarded, again IMO

bitches who complain about it should have to stand in front of a camp fire...or try to live out West in a dusty environment (im talking about very low, responsible levels of second hand smoke...nothing indoors, around children, etc, etc, etc)


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Dervish
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We have the ban here... in a word ACE! Clubs no longer stink.

I mean in terms of employment law, in no industry would they allow you to effectively dose up staff to the danger levels smoking does. Imagine the nuclear industry doing that?

Thats aside from it being gross to have to live in. Once you've experienced a nice smoke free night out going back is pretty bad actually.


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quote:
Originally posted by st3nc
all second hand smoke arguments are absoultely retarded, again IMO

bitches who complain about it should have to stand in front of a camp fire...or try to live out West in a dusty environment (im talking about very low, responsible levels of second hand smoke...nothing indoors, around children, etc, etc, etc)


If nothing indoors what are you disagreeing with?


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st3nc
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Originally posted by Dervish
If nothing indoors what are you disagreeing with?


hmm interesting

i guess the freedom to choose?

smoking indoors is a privledge (french inhales and smoke rings: the girls can never do them, im very experienced, they need me to teach them, then they usually realize they need my dick too)

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Lira
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Damn, I had completely forgotten about this thread. I'll write a proper reply to you later, BoJingles
quote:
Originally posted by Elec
Care to explain how driving without a seatbelt affects anybody else's life in a rather negative way?

If you're in the back seat, you can seriously injure the person in the front seat, for example.


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