I have alot of respect for people who are able to produce or mix solid, original edm, whether it be trance, house, techno or any other genre.

i think part of the problem unfortunately is that there is such a massive abundance of edm. millions of copies of a given track floating around online. its tough for most people to justify spending their hard-earned cash on something their friends get for free, let alone something that will be 'outdated' in a month or two. artists need to understand that this isn't going to change, regardless of their bickering efforts (ala Angello, Tenaglia).

in any other business if a consumer can get a product cheaper somewhere else, THEY WILL. the same applies for music. artists eventually will adapt to consumer demand. hopefully edm doesn't start sucking too much in the process.

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The reality of the matter is that the labels are no longer the main distribution channel: the Internet is. Artists can bitch, plead, enforce restrictions on the general public all they want, but piracy is here to stay. It's not going away, it not going to go out of fashion, and there's NOTHING the labels or artists can do about it. Even if all artists colluded to not make any more music until people stopped pirating it, one clever ****** would make music and put it up for free, and fuck it up for the entire cartel. The listeners hold the reigns now.

If you're an artist or a label and you're terribly upset about what the Internet is doing to the music industry, do us all a favour and don't whine about it. Just GTFO and find another job.

The only way you can stop me from downloading your music is if you stop making it.

And don't threaten to do it either. Just do it. Even if the majority of big artists decided to stop making music because of pirating and went back to flipping burgers, those who would remain in the music industry would have to scour myspace for those unknown artists making good music with pirated Cubase. And those unknown myspace kids would get discovered, and they would take the place of the big names that left. And piracy would reign supreme, yet music would remain. What a paradox.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur If you're an artist or a label and you're terribly upset about what the Internet is doing to the music industry, do us all a favour and don't whine about it. Just GTFO and find another job.

+1

In the end, the internet is forcing artists to produce for the love of music. I really don't see it being an economically feasible career if you have mediocre talent (who are the biggest whiners).

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Originally posted by release records there is something wrong with playing promos...theres something wrong with playing them if you were not sent them thru legitimate channels. trolling thru soulseek, other sites or having people (who also shouldnt promos) IM them to u is one of the main things that is helping kill the dance music industry. the sad reality is, in most cases, unreleased music has become a currency to trade with other promo hungry vultures. jerome @ release

I am saying there's nothing wrong with playing promos if you received them from someone legit. If you don't want anyone playing your unreleased music, don't share it with anyone.

he's got a point, that's why i only buy tracks from producers/labels i choose to support.

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Originally posted by geroin There is never enough exposure, there is no plateau in how big you can become.

I fully agree...

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Originally posted by geroin Making music is a hobby first of all not a job, people do it because they enjoy to do it, not because they think about how much money the track will make.

lol how can you speak on behalf of anyones that's EVER made music? I'm sure Simon Cowell would disagree with you...

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I'm patiently waiting for when the music industry finally collapses because of illegal downloading (lol), so it could rebuild itself from the ground up. Musicians would make music no matter what. Music existed long before labels existed, and music will continue to exist after the labels die.

I mean to be fair it's pretty much there now... the only person making money from actually selling dance music is deadmau5 lol (and he's just a mouse for fuck sakes)

edit: (only because I don't want to triple post) But the more I think about it the more I can see Angello being one of the worst targets for internet sharing. He's a brand name, still doing amazing/creative stuff and getting burnt on shit getting saturated well before the release happens. I do feel his pain.

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My 2 cents

1)I will never buy an MP3.. They sound bad on my HiFi

2) I do download MP3s, mainly radio shows or sets.

3) When I really like the music I do go out and buy the CD. I have lots of CDs I enjoy, Armin van Buuren, PVD, Markus Schultz, Ferry Corstan...

4) I have seen Promo Vinyls available for download regularly. It is possible to keep Promos off of the net. I waited for "A Life Less Ordinary" for like 8 months to be available after I heard it many times live, on the radio... And finaly got it on CD.

5) I listen to Trance, not House, so Steve you will be happy to hear that I will not be pirating your House productions via the net.

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Originally posted by phlog I have alot of respect for people who are able to produce or mix solid, original edm, whether it be trance, house, techno or any other genre. i think part of the problem unfortunately is that there is such a massive abundance of edm. millions of copies of a given track floating around online. its tough for most people to justify spending their hard-earned cash on something their friends get for free, let alone something that will be 'outdated' in a month or two. artists need to understand that this isn't going to change, regardless of their bickering efforts (ala Angello, Tenaglia). in any other business if a consumer can get a product cheaper somewhere else, THEY WILL. the same applies for music. artists eventually will adapt to consumer demand. hopefully edm doesn't start sucking too much in the process.

This is very true, there are tones of people who still go to beatport and other sites and still buy the songs. Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live. I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag This is very true, there are tones of people who still go to beatport and other sites and still buy the songs. Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live. I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

The quality of the tracks would probably go down, and producers probably
won't collaborate much to produce good tracks since they'd have to put in tons of hours and in the end, they don't get paid.

Many producers are also DJs, and the established ones are already too busy with tours and family and whatnot.
Less incentive to put in lots of hours for tracks

Not everyone is altruistic

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag I remeber a few years back i herd Okenfold got paid $250 000 to play for 2 hrs at some huge festival.

although obviously not impossible, it's very unlikely. And even so ridiculous to cite as a benchmark when discussing a dj's touring salary...

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