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Originally posted by jennypie Hay guise, I'm making nachos.

nachos9 variety?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I made such a statement? I don't think anything specific is "afoot," and I'm not even that worried about my own personal liberty, since I'm not a very radical kinda guy. I just don't particularly trust anyone to wield the huge amounts of power that some politicians are claiming for themselves...

WHAT "Politicians"? And; "Claiming for themselves"? Really? They can do that, can they? Are we living in the same country? Last I checked, it's not a Dictatorship.

Again, to what end is this supposed power grab coming about? You're the one who is trying to connect this desire to up-date an I.D. database...one that from what I see, is WAY more solid reason to have, than not to have...with a desire to "control" us, not me. If you're going to make accusations like that, then show me the motive.

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Originally posted by jennypie Hay guise, I'm making nachos.

Cool. Pop open some cold ones, invite the chicks in your avatar over and I'm there!

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Oh man, I totally forgot about the beer..thanks for reminding me!

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Originally posted by donnybrasco WHAT "Politicians"? And; "Claiming for themselves"? Really? They can do that, can they?

Yeah, they can, actually. Like the power to prosecute a war without borders, give an "authorization" for war that specifies neither a theater nor a concrete objective, hold U.S. citizens incommunicado with no jury trial and no charges against them, engage in "rendition" of prisoners to countries that are known torturers, disregard the Convention Against Torture (18 U.S.C. § 2441), conduct wiretaps on American citizens without a warrant. The legal counsel for the president at the time of 9/11 said that the president had the "authority" to order the torture of American children; his name is John Yoo, and you can look him up.

Really, where the fuck have you been the last six and a half years? I've lived in the U.S. all my life, and it seems to me that you'd have to be blind to deny that the legal and political landscape looks a lot different than it did before.

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You're the one who is trying to connect this desire to up-date an I.D. database...one that from what I see, is WAY more solid reason to have, than not to have...with a desire to "control" us, not me.

I didn't try to connect shit. That "connection" is something in your head. If you think I'm lying, quote me.

Jingles, you're going to have to drop that "playing dumb" act!!!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Yeah, they can, actually. Like the power to prosecute a war without borders, give an "authorization" for war that specifies neither a theater nor a concrete objective, hold U.S. citizens incommunicado with no jury trial and no charges against them, engage in "rendition" of prisoners to countries that are known torturers, disregard the Convention Against Torture (18 U.S.C. § 2441), conduct wiretaps on American citizens without a warrant. The legal counsel for the president at the time of 9/11 said that the president had the "authority" to order the torture of American children; his name is John Yoo, and you can look him up. Really, where the fuck have you been the last six and a half years? I've lived in the U.S. all my life, and it seems to me that you'd have to be blind to deny that the legal and political landscape looks a lot different than it did before. I didn't try to connect shit. That "connection" is something in your head. If you think I'm lying, quote me.

Wow got ourselves a mushroom!


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Originally posted by smokeape No, don't necessarily need another thread to answer foolish questions. How do you deliberately spread disease? Like I walk over there and hand it to you or something? Believe Indians got flu and like symptoms which devasted them hard since they were brought over from England and they had no immunity. [[[smoke]]]

heard of smallpox? heard of native americans being given diseased blankets? first instances of germ warfare that i am aware of. go look it up fool.

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Originally posted by smokeape You come across thinking your country is equal to a superpower,

fuck youre a moron. its quite sad that someone so very old is so incapable of stringing ideas together that actually make sense. i have never said that australia is "equal" to a superpower (whatever the fuck does that mean anyway?). being a superpower does not make you the "best" country in the world.

what i am saying is that the system of government and the checks and balances inherent in the westminster system (combined with a few other notable facts like compulsory voting) is far superior than the bastardised model the US has. if you wanna argue that with me fine, ill wipe the floor with you and then we can move on.

yeah, you have all the money, all the bombs and tanks. big fucking deal. you also have more poverty, more crime, huge firearm problems, less freedoms, a society corrupted by religious intolerance, and the shittiest (democratic) parliamentary system ive ever heard of.

i dont want australia to be anything more than "small potatoes", because we're fine just the way we are. it doesnt give us delusions that we have a god-given right to invade the world's nations or suspend human rights to the "enemy".

i love america (a lot) but ignorant, stupidly-nationalistic fucks like yourself give your wonderful country a bad name.

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Do that digeree do or whatever it's called. Kinda like that sound.,


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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN heard of smallpox? heard of native americans being given diseased blankets? first instances of germ warfare that i am aware of. go look it up fool. fuck youre a moron. its quite sad that someone so very old is so incapable of stringing ideas together that actually make sense. i have never said that australia is "equal" to a superpower (whatever the fuck does that mean anyway?). being a superpower does not make you the "best" country in the world. what i am saying is that the system of government and the checks and balances inherent in the westminster system (combined with a few other notable facts like compulsory voting) is far superior than the bastardised model the US has. if you wanna argue that with me fine, ill wipe the floor with you and then we can move on. yeah, you have all the money, all the bombs and tanks. big fucking deal. you also have more poverty, more crime, huge firearm problems, less freedoms, a society corrupted by religious intolerance, and the shittiest (democratic) parliamentary system ive ever heard of. i dont want australia to be anything more than "small potatoes", because we're fine just the way we are. it doesnt give us delusions that we have a god-given right to invade the world's nations or suspend human rights to the "enemy". i love america (a lot) but ignorant, stupidly-nationalistic fucks like yourself give your wonderful country a bad name.

Psht, sounds like something a typical NON-AMERICAN would say!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ...I didn't try to connect shit. That "connection" is something in your head. If you think I'm lying, quote me.

Well what the hell is this thread about anyway?! Your parallels are all there, go back and read for yourself.

And you're not even answering my question about motive, you're just making blanket statements (tired, hackneyed statements at that) about Orwellian predictions, backed by debatable "facts".

Try thinking beyond what you are TOLD to think for once and use some common sense. People who see conspiracies everywhere they look do, by definition, lose credibility. ANYONE can claim there's a "conspiracy" afoot within the government. You only have to make EXTREMELY loose connections to make such claims. But to actually support your tired, unoriginal claims, you have to show motive and provide evidence to support the claims (concrete evidence).

Your basic claim that "This is going to be used against us, the law-abiding citizens!" has no basis in fact or past history. And it's not even that revolutionary, this concept of gathering and holding I.D. information! You're all worked up about NOOOOOOTTTHHHHIIINNNGGG!!!!

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