drugs cannot cause schizophrenia but if someone has it in their history or has a menatl disease but it lays dormaint, drugs can trigger it.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy drugs cannot cause schizophrenia but if someone has it in their history or has a menatl disease but it lays dormaint, drugs can trigger it.

True, but i think in this case he was away at school, occasionally sees his fam and comes back a year later all fucked up...they don't get to see it happen.

I think it could be a cop out on his folks part...I've certainly been sketchy or paranoid for a week after night/morning out.

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Originally posted by capo tutti di True, but i think in this case he was away at school, occasionally sees his fam and comes back a year later all fucked up...they don't get to see it happen. I think it could be a cop out on his folks part...I've certainly been sketchy or paranoid for a week after night/morning out.

I had a friend who was kicked out of his house because his parents thought he was an addict.

Great guy, athletic, active in the community, he started saying reallly fucked up things, doing odd things, so they blamed drugs.

He was on the streets, then in a boarding house, then eventually diagnosed as being BiPolar. I think people really confuse mental disease with drug use and vice versa.

There is obviously a fucking shitload about this story we or even Evil_cookie has no idea about.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy drugs cannot cause schizophrenia but if someone has it in their history or has a menatl disease but it lays dormaint, drugs can trigger it.

you dont even need a history of mental disease to become schizo, in fact, most people dont have any symptoms of a mental illness until the onset of the mild schizo. Shizophrenic SYMPTOMS (including delsions, hallucinations, grossly disorganized or catonic behavior, disorganized speeach, or innapropriate affect) can come about as a result of drug use, but one can never be diagnosed as shizo as a result of merely using drugs....it has to come from somewhere else (ie: what I mentioned before: enivironmental stressors, chemical imbalance NOT attributed to drugs, etc.......). I think whoever diagnosed him is not making the correct diagnosis OR we dont know the whole story.


btw: bipolar is being significantly overused as a diagnosis nowadays. Bipolar on a mild level is literally being diagnosed to people who have mood swings, and its totally making those with severe cases not be taken as seriously. complete bullshit, esp when they give meds to those with moods swings and it fucks up their chemistry and makes them worse than when they startes (fyi: bipolar drugs are some of the most controversial because they are so strong and overly prescribed, such as lithium)--->scary stuff.

edit: lol after reading my last couple of posts, I realize my spelling is fakked....sorry but I dont feel like fixing, it but you get the point....I am a badddd clinician

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Last edited by yankeeBaby on Mar-07-2008 at 17:44

^many interesting points/perspectives in the previous posts.

I follow one rule in my life when It comes to matters like these.

The truth shall set you free.

(However I quickly acknowledge that rule has BURNED me more times than I can remember)

Yet I still believe that it is the only appropriate course of action, regardless of whether it yields the most positive outcome.

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I went to see his family this morning, and I agreed that for time being I’d keep my mouth shut, but if at any point I decide that they’re fucking around with his life and making the situation worse, I have the right to let him know. Because these worse he gets because of his family’s inability to make proper decisions, the shittier my role becomes in initiating it….

Also, yankeeBaby, he has been a life time schizophrenic (this I never knew when we first met 6-7 years ago). The recent developments are all because of his fucking drug use – cocaine in particular that has made his case even worse. And as it turns out, the reason the decision to put him into rehab has been stripped away from him, is that two weeks ago he was released from jail on bail by his older brother, for assault and drug use at U of T, hence why he got kicked out. And apparently, he was suspended once before, but that because he failed to maintain his program GPA.

Anyway, I asked if I could visit him and you know, just talk to him, even if we’re going along with this absurd plan, I still want to “be there’ for him. But the mother told me that their lawyer is in the process of keeping him in prison to start his treatment so at this time we can’t visit him…so I asked where he was taken, and they said they have to talk to the lawyer and they don’t know. “Don’t worry about it mike, you are his best friend, you have been an angel in this, god bless you, let us take care of him now, you have to trust us”. I find this shit a little hard to believe that they would not know where he is today…almost a day has passed, there must have been some contact. Anyway, fuck I really still don’t feel good knowing he’s in prison and doing all sorts of shit against his will, shit that can easily make things worse.

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Originally posted by capo tutti di Wow, I LOL'd hard...He can never get better...how do you know he is skitzo and just not maybe smoking crack..not even trying to be funny, maybe he's going through withdrawal

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due to the excess drugs he’s been taking, he has developed a growing case of schizophrenia

duh!

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I rarely post on here but this thread has compelled me to do so..

Being a Social Worker I deal with mental illness on a daily basis and creating confusion and deception in the life of someone who is obviously already confused can never be positive..

If you're friend is going to get better, he needs to do so with things being transparent....It seems that some people on here think that he will somehow magically be cured and only then will he be able to appreciate the truth..that really is spitting in the face of someone living with mental illness.....if he were to find out the truth in the coming weeks, months, years....it will force him to reasses all that he has gone through in that time..and IF he has made progress the truth may actually be counterproductive....meaning..if you're not going to tell him now..don't bother telling him after he he has made some progess...

it looks like you're friend needs someone in his corner and no matter how much his parents think they are helping him....tricking him and locking him up is not the way to go...by going along and lying to him..all you're doing is validating their actions...

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Originally posted by gummybear I rarely post on here but this thread has compelled me to do so.. Being a Social Worker I deal with mental illness on a daily basis and creating confusion and deception in the life of someone who is obviously already confused can never be positive.. If you're friend is going to get better, he needs to do so with things being transparent....It seems that some people on here think that he will somehow magically be cured and only then will he be able to appreciate the truth..that really is spitting in the face of someone living with mental illness.....if he were to find out the truth in the coming weeks, months, years....it will force him to reasses all that he has gone through in that time..and IF he has made progress the truth may actually be counterproductive....meaning..if you're not going to tell him now..don't bother telling him after he he has made some progess... it looks like you're friend needs someone in his corner and no matter how much his parents think they are helping him....tricking him and locking him up is not the way to go...by going along and lying to him..all you're doing is validating their actions...

I dont necessarily agree with everything you are saying. I think evil-cookie needs to assess the situatuation to see if the truth will cause more harm than good.

For instance, what if he tells his friend the truth, and the parents deny it to save their own ass (which seems a likely scenario?) That will just be a cause for more confusion.

And also, one must assess whether the friend is in crisis mode, and whether he can handle the information at the time. No one is saying to NEVER tell him the truth, but in extremely emotional times, one must look into MANY factors that may affect his health furhter. A short period of time never killed anyone...you just simply tell them "I wanted to tell you this but wanted to make sure you were safe and ready to ear it......" jsut asses the situation and dont wait TOO long as to avoid looking like a liar rather than someone who wanted to help and make sure it was the right time.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby For instance, what if he tells his friend the truth, and the parents deny it to save their own ass (which seems a likely scenario?) That will just be a cause for more confusion.

+1 This is likely to just confuse him and make him trust even fewer people, and possibly lash out even further. He won't know who to run to or talk to, and soon the family and the friend will lose all contact.

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I agree with you somewhat..if he is going to tell him, it should happen soon...and my point was that if you wait too long to tell him the truth, it will do more harm than good...

In my opinion, this person is making some very wrong choices and needs guidance..as well as medical intervention..but the steps the family is taking, and the process that he is now involved in is extreme...

Mental Ilnees + making bad choices does not = giving up the right to being treated with dignity and respect..

just my opinion..