It sounds great! thx

I think you guys completely miss the target audience for this record!

He's simply trying to fill in the gap on the album with as much varied material for as many people as possible and what's wrong with that? Not everybody will like everything on the album, and as such this track isn't for everybody.

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Probably the worst AVB production ever... say what you want about the quality of the song, but at least Anthem was unique... this is just a cheap cash in on that sound.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders I think you guys completely miss the target audience for this record! He's simply trying to fill in the gap on the album with as much varied material for as many people as possible and what's wrong with that? That simply means that not everybody will like everything on the album, and as such this track isn't for everybody.

What exactly does that change though? It's a shit piece of music, and people who have a penchant for good music will see it as such. So he's making music for the lowest common denominator...great!

It's a fantastic way to quickly lose artistic credibility...in the eyes of people who actually care passionately. When you start talking about "target audience" and "as many people as possible" in relation to an artist, its no longer for the sake of artistic expression and all for the cash machine.

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Originally posted by Clovis What exactly does that change though? It's a shit piece of music, and people who have a penchant for good music will see it as such. So he's making music for the lowest common denominator...great! It's a fantastic way to quickly lose artistic credibility...in the eyes of people who actually care passionately. When you start talking about "target audience" and "as many people as possible" in relation to an artist, its no longer for the sake of artistic expression and all for the cash machine.

But isn't music subjective tho? I mean what is shit to you may not be to person X or person Y. If you like this sound, does it automatically mean you don't care passionately, does it mean that their opinion automatically means nothing? It all depends on how you look at it and whether what you think (generally speaking not about you) carries more weight than someone else, someone who perhaps didn't listen to Armin 8 years ago.

Is it also not within the realm of possibility that he just maybe likes this sound. Who are we to criticize what he should or shouldn't make, it's his artistic expression, no matter what way it goes!

Is it also not within the realm of possibility that records like these are a bridge for people who aren't necessarily into trance music to venture over and see what else lies within?

Reaching for a wider audience does not make you a sell out. What's wrong with wanting to expose your music to as many people as possible? Hell what's the purpose of sites like myspace, it's to further your sound to as many as possible. I know it's what I want, personally speaking. If I wanted to make music just for myself, I'd do that and not send it to anyone else.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders But isn't music subjective tho? I mean what is shit to you may not be to person X or person Y. If you like this sound, does it automatically mean you don't care passionately, does it mean that their opinion automatically means nothing? It all depends on how you look at it and whether what you think (generally speaking not about you) carries more weight than someone else, someone who perhaps didn't listen to Armin 8 years ago. Is it also not within the realm of possibility that he just maybe likes this sound. Who are we to criticize what he should or shouldn't make, it's his artistic expression, no matter what way it goes! Is it also not within the realm of possibility that records like these are a bridge for people who aren't necessarily into trance music to venture over and see what else lies within?

How many releases have you got on Armada?

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Funny how some shit release like this one can get so many bashes and go over 6 pages but, on the other hand, some great release gets max 2-3. Sad really..

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Originally posted by smakmagik How many releases have you got on Armada?

Oh so just because I have records on his label, that automatically invalidates my statement?

You guys are too quick to condemn and presume, can only see it from your perspective, but there's also the perspective of the artist.

People who make music for money, well, it's very obvious that they do just by listening to their body of work.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Oh so just because I have records on his label, that automatically invalidates my statement? You guys are too quick to condemn and presume, can only see it from your perspective, but there's also the perspective of the artist. People who make music for money, well, it's very obvious that they do just by listening to their body of work.

Not to sound like an ass, but doesn't that sort of negate what you said a moment ago? I don't see this as anything but a rather poorly done commercial work - whether Armin and Shah like it or not is irrelevant. "Just by listening", I've formed an opinion on the body of their work.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Oh so just because I have records on his label, that automatically invalidates my statement? You guys are too quick to condemn and presume, can only see it from your perspective, but there's also the perspective of the artist. People who make music for money, well, it's very obvious that they do just by listening to their body of work.

Doesn't invalidate it, it just makes you look at it completely differently.

Music is subjective yes, but defending something like this from a completely hypocritical artist who bashes Dj Sammy who in all truth makes more 'trance' than Armin in recent times, is just sad.

If you should go, Going Wrong, Saturday Night and whatever other tripe is going on his new album, it isn't making music for a particular audience, it's selling out AGAINST his own earlier admissions.

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It is not trance, the vocals are cliched, the vocalist is completely off-key, and this is apparantly a collaboration between the god of 'trance' and the king of balaeric music.

How can you defend something like this? It's not that its not our kind of music, that is subjective, its just SHIT music. It's not a matter of taste, but a matter of quality. How you cannot see that is beyond me.

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