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Originally posted by Clovis And thats exactly where they went wrong.

or thats where you failed. pick one.

they were discussing Obama's gaff he made on a radio talk show the day after his race speech, calling his own Grandmother a "typical white person".

we could thread that if you want.

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Originally posted by Dieselboy_1206 If I knew that someone was running for president and Pat Robertson was or is his pastor, I wouldn't vote for him. The guy is f***ing crazy. As for this, I don't believe Obama believes as this guy does, nor do I think his speech was genuine. This never seemed to be a huge deal for him until it had to be. Then suddenly he cared enough to address the nation. He is a politician, and that is all. Eloquence is not a replacement for substance, and I really don't see that in Obama. Besides, I just plain don't think socialized health care, social security, or higher amounts or wealth redistribution are what this country needs.

A. Obama gave the speech because he didn't understand how it was a big deal in the first place. As he says in the speech - how many people can truly say they agree with everything their pastor, rabbi, or priest says? How many can say they agree with everything their grandmother, father, or brother says? He's distanced himself repeatedly from the statements made by Wright and yet he's still guilty by association? Obama went to Wright for the reasons he listed in his speech - and I have a hard time believing anyone can legitimately criticize him for that after reading them. As Clovis said, all of this is addressed in the speech.

The timing has everything to do with trying to explain why this shouldn't be a scandal and not with trying to hide something or "not being genuine" about it.

B. Obama doesn't have a socialized medicine plan. He wants to reduce the costs of health care to make it more affordable - Hillary is the candidate that wants to mandate that the government pay for all people to be on health care.

C. I thought it would be a terrible idea for Obama to address race head-on, but this was the most nuanced discussion of race in the public sphere that I've ever seen in my short life, and I thought the substance of this speech, whatever your specific political views, was pretty irrefutably solid.

D. I have a sneaking suspicion that most people posting have only heard the snippets of the speech that have been played on CNN and FoxNews... it's only 40 minutes long, it's worth the watch. Reading the transcript would take less time, but it is still well worth it.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov D. I have a sneaking suspicion that most people posting have only heard the snippets of the speech that have been played on CNN and FoxNews... it's only 40 minutes long, it's worth the watch. Reading the transcript would take less time, but it is still well worth it.

In AMERICA? No wai!

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Q5echo or thats where you failed. pick one. they were discussing Obama's gaff he made on a radio talk show the day after his race speech, calling his own Grandmother a "typical white person". we could thread that if you want.

Big. Fuckin. Deal.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Big. Fuckin. Deal.

right. anything else?

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Originally posted by Clovis Big. Fuckin. Deal.

Clovis, honestly, you're nothing but a "typical white person" to him, meaning a "typical white person" is typically scared of walking past a black man on the street, like his grand mother.

It's amazing how guild-ridden white liberals still fail to see the racist facade that Obama really is.

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Clovis, honestly, you're nothing but a "typical white person" to him, meaning a "typical white person" is typically scared of walking past a black man on the street, like his grand mother.

Sorry, I have not heard the radio show clip you refer to; however, I must ask whether he meant his grandmother was an average white person rather then most white people are scared of blacks as was his grand mother. Is it clear in the clip that his intention was to generalize that white people are afraid of blacks?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

For an outsider this racial debate is hilarious. Such a pathetic blend of hypocrisy, alleged political correctness, guilt-driven complexes and fear. I assume the average white American has no problem whatsoever with the average black American, and yet this mostly fabricated "tension" is exploited throughout show-biz, media and politics. In forum lingo I'd suggest just not to feed them trolls.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Sorry, I have not heard the radio show clip you refer to; however, I must ask whether he meant his grandmother was an average white person rather then most white people are scared of blacks as was his grand mother. Is it clear in the clip that his intention was to generalize that white people are afraid of blacks?

He stated that his grandmother was a "typical white american", who was scared to cross paths with a black man on the streets. Obviously he thinks that the typical white american, by using his grandmother as an example, fit into the description of being distrustful of blacks.

If Hillary made a statement about "Typical Black Americans" all the white Obama supporters/Liberals would be going "ZOMG RACISM !!11!!".

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Sorry, I have not heard the radio show clip you refer to; however, I must ask whether he meant his grandmother was an average white person rather then most white people are scared of blacks as was his grand mother. Is it clear in the clip that his intention was to generalize that white people are afraid of blacks?

No. The comment was that his grandmother is just like any other white woman (meaning normal), but would sometimes make somewhat racist remarks. Basically it was a "even normal people on both sides of the racial divide sometimes say racist things or have prejudices, but I still love them" kind of thing.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov No. The comment was that his grandmother is just like any other white woman (meaning normal), but would sometimes make somewhat racist remarks. Basically it was a "even normal people on both sides of the racial divide sometimes say racist things or have prejudices, but I still love them" kind of thing.

Thats what I gathered from the him..

this whole race thing is focking stupid....

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Originally posted by LazFX Thats what I gathered from the him.. this whole race thing is focking stupid....

Agreed. This whole episode is the biggest non-issue of the campaign. Let them get back to the policy issues for crying out loud.

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