i think one of the problems is that mega djs dont come up with new stuff, everytime i see a shows tracklisting i see that ive heard all the tracks before it... its not fun anymore cos you dont hear any new stuff... but i think that there is alot of good stuff going out nowdays its a matter of finding them and keep an open mind... i miss kamaya painters/matt darrey/oliver lieb... that was the shit... the days of old tiesto compilations...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA Im sorry but i just dont belive in something being "born with" i think anybody who wishes can learn everything...

Unfortunately this isn't unicorn fairy land but the real world, and it simply doesn't work like that.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Unfortunately this isn't unicorn fairy land but the real world, and it simply doesn't work like that.

So your saying that you would give up trying to learn something if it is considered "born with" just cos of that? and if you really want it, what will you do? bite your tongue and give up? thats a shitty way of living...

im not a "born" athlete, so what? i can't try running fast if i like it? im sure that i will get good at some point, maybe i wont get as far as people who do that from when they were 5 but that wont prevent me from trying...

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I have seen some good arguments here, but I miss one IMO:

A lot of new musicalstyles were born because of new technologies.
Back in the days of hardware synthesizers a new synthesizer on the market often had a new distinctive sound, it even got used for things it wasn't intended for and therefor creating something new.

For example, without the Roland TB-303 we wouldn't have had all those acid tracks.
Without the Roland Jupiter series we wouldn't have had all those supersaw tracks.
Without computers and and the use of infinite plugins, tracks wouldn't sound as crisp and tight as they do now.
However, the last years haven't brought us a totally new synthesis technologies that are so new and refreshing as back then.

But of course it's not only about that.
It's about making choice's and what type of track a producer wants to make, and what audience he is making it for.
The bigger the audience the less room there is for innovation, because they won't understand. The other way around, the more experimental music gets, the less people you will find who will really understand it or like it.
You could end up very puristicly playing random noise with just 3 listeners who will really enjoy it
In my opinion it's a combination of the two to make it succesfull, and depends often more on luck than on skills.
(I hope I will get lucky today )

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij For example, without the Roland TB-303 we wouldn't have had all those acid tracks. Without the Roland Jupiter series we wouldn't have had all those supersaw tracks. Without computers and and the use of infinite plugins, tracks wouldn't sound as crisp and tight as they do now. However, the last years haven't brought us a totally new synthesis technologies that are so new and refreshing as back then.

your right all the way, but i tried immagine a new type of synthesis that doesnt exist but its just so hard coming up with something...

i say lets go back to the sources, try include live instruments in your tracks, and not guitars pianos etc., how bout an oboe? or a french horn? trombone?

maybe a sitar, a banjo... and take sounds from your surrounding... hit the table and record it, a glass... something...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA i say lets go back to the sources, try include live instruments in your tracks, and not guitars pianos etc., how bout an oboe? or a french horn? trombone? maybe a sitar, a banjo... and take sounds from your surrounding... hit the table and record it, a glass... something...

True, innovation is also about making new combinations, however some combinations might just not work that well.

The weirder the combination, the harder it is for a producer to make it sound like a well blended powerfull mix. There aren't much out there who are capable of doing so apparently.

(I will give your hints a try though )

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA So your saying that you would give up trying to learn something if it is considered "born with" just cos of that? and if you really want it, what will you do? bite your tongue and give up? thats a shitty way of living... im not a "born" athlete, so what? i can't try running fast if i like it? im sure that i will get good at some point, maybe i wont get as far as people who do that from when they were 5 but that wont prevent me from trying...

Of course you can learn things and no, you shouldn't give up but you need to accept the fact that everyone can't learn everything, sometimes it's just down to skill and talent.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA Im sorry but i just dont belive in something being "born with" i think anybody who wishes can learn everything... and music espacially today involves lots of math, beside math like in bach's compositions etc. you have now all the producing math and synth math...

I know it seems anti-thetical, because dance music was founded on a DIY ethic, and I'm not saying that you're either a born musician or not.

What I'm saying is that far too many people think that they can be a musician because of the ease of finding the necessary tools these days. They have no respect to the craft of being a musician. They think "I like trance, I can get hold of Reason and figure out how to make music that sounds just like the trance I like".

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij True, innovation is also about making new combinations, however some combinations might just not work that well. The weirder the combination, the harder it is for a producer to make it sound like a well blended powerfull mix. There aren't much out there who are capable of doing so apparently. (I will give your hints a try though )

i gave some of my hints a try, a french horn through a breakdown is awesome also heavy distortion guitar riffs in the background but thats not so innovant... i also tried trumpets once, but thats just too flashy for what i needed... but the most important thing is to really play those things... sampling isnt working that good for those instruments...

check out "looking for the light" at www.myspace.com/xetromusic
at about 1:04 there is me playing my french horn (there is also me playing some electric guitar in there)...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I know it seems anti-thetical, because dance music was founded on a DIY ethic, and I'm not saying that you're either a born musician or not. What I'm saying is that far too many people think that they can be a musician because of the ease of finding the necessary tools these days. They have no respect to the craft of being a musician. They think "I like trance, I can get hold of Reason and figure out how to make music that sounds just like the trance I like".

i agree but i think that they just want to express themselves, i dont think anyone would think to himself "im gonna make trance like someone els", they probably think "ill make stuff like this but better!" and probably screw up in the process...

and Mr. mystery, its true when your talking about competition or something similar, not when your talking bout producing... you have all the time in the world for that, you can spend years on one track, and in the end it doesnt comes to whose more naturally gifted, it comes to who made a better track...

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I think you're too much of an idealist. If you want to make good music, you either go through the years of training or you're a natural talent and can go straight into it. People think that technology removes the need for either.

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