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Originally posted by Krypton Your problem is, you have no clue why so many people hate Israel and America. What's disgusting is you don't even care...Imagine if your house was bombed with your family inside...How about the over 1 million Iraqi refugees? Nope, you could care less...

Actually it's the other way around - you know why so many people hate Hamas and Hezbollah yet you don't really care

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually it's the other way around - you know why so many people hate Hamas and Hezbollah yet you don't really care

Let me school you...

Logical Fallacy

A fallacy is a component of an argument which, being demonstrably flawed in its logic or form, renders the argument invalid in whole.

Illicit Conversion Fallacy

An illicit conversion is the invalid inversion of a A- or O-type proposition. It can also be defined as an argument which entails the arbitrary assignment of a specific trait of a set to one of its subsets.

Structure
The basic forms of the illicit conversion are as follows:

All A are B.
Therefore, all B are A.

Example
All dolphins are mammals.
Therefore, all mammals are dolphins.

OR OR OR

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually it's the other way around - you know why so many people hate Hamas and Hezbollah yet you don't really care

I'de have to say your argument is this retarded...



Idiot...

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Last edited by Krypton on May-13-2008 at 22:35

LOL, you haven't schooled me on anything. Instead you keep ignoring your own blindsighted one-track mind, and keep trying to lecture me about words you know little about.

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Originally posted by CHRles LOL, you haven't schooled me on anything. Instead you keep ignoring your own blindsighted one-track mind, and keep trying to lecture me about words you know little about.

I'm sorry what?

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually it's the other way around - you know why so many people hate Hamas and Hezbollah yet you don't really care

hmmm so many people such as? Israelie or American people? If only you knew their cause for fighting then perhaps you wouldnt just hate them because fox news told you so.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm sorry what?

Don't you have any other pics on your computer besides that one?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer hmmm so many people such as? Israelie or American people? If only you knew their cause for fighting then perhaps you wouldnt just hate them because fox news told you so.

i would venture to say that europeans, japanese, koreans, and sub-saharan africans don't support them. essentially, the only people who support them are muslims.

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Originally posted by CHRles Don't you have any other pics on your computer besides that one?

Can't your arguments not be riddled with childish fallacies? Illicit conversion fallacy. Do you understand what that means?

Here's a list...maybe you might learn something...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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Krypton, I just figured that you had more pics of me from back in my South Park days, but I guess I was wrong (happens on occasion).

BTW, I definitely don't think all Arabs or muslims are backwards, that is a very unfair and general statement to make. Most of the Lebanese aren't Hezbollah supporters, not even all Shiites in fact support their "cause". The only celeb supporter they have is Sexy Haifa.
Additionally, there are countries with very modern or interesting urban settings, such as Rabat and Casablanca in Morocco, Dubai and Abu Dhabi in the UAE, or Amman in Jordan and Beirut in Lebanon. Istanbul's skyscrapers and modern architecture actually resemble those of Tel Aviv and its suburb of Ramat Gan.
There's also centers of education, most notably Cairo in Egypt, and a huge media city/center in places like Dubai.
As far as backwards roads, you'd prolly have to look at Yemen, where most people are dirt poor.
As far as tolerance goes, countries like Tunisia tend to lead the way if I'm not mistaken. Women are pretty liberated over there, and wear pretty much whatever they feel like.

Back to the topic,for those who cant understand why Iran is going after nukes(all assumptions btw) it is perhaps because the US has given the Iranians little reason to trust them and their ultimatums and much justification to defend themselves by any means necessary.


Perhaps Iran has good reasons why they act the way they do when it comes to Israel and the US politics towards them and why they are preparing themselves for the worst case scenerio. Lets see if the past has something to do with these behaviors.

Iran's democratically-elected President Mossadegh was overthrown in 1953 for trying to privatize his Oil Industry. Washington had a fit, fearing they would loose precious oil revenue and ordered the CIA to overthrow him and replace him with a US Puppet.

That sock puppet was the Shah who Iranians suffered under for 28 years. He tortured and imprisoned tens of thousands people with his CIA-backed secret police and basically wanted to turn Iran into a model America. He walked, talked and acted like an American and absolutely disregarded his people's opinion and tradition.

Now let's fast forward to 1981. Iran is invade by Iraq, with plenty of US backing I might add thanks to the good folks at the CIA.
The same folks who decided giving Saddam chemical precursors to make anthrax and nerve gas was a good idea.


Iran suffers millions of casualties, it's major urban areas suffer extensive damage, Saddam gasses the Kurds and the Iranians are screwed yet again by the US.
Then the US invade Iraq a decade later to rid Saddam of the weapons you gave him, smart.

And how could you forget IranAir flight 655?
A plane packed full of kids and ordinary travelers is shot down by the USS Vincennes in the Persian Gulf in 1988, because apparently they mistook for an Iranian F-14.
275 people gone for what?
Yeah a Jumbo Jet and an F-14... apples and oranges.
Btw, another fun fact, Iran got it's F-14's from the US when the Shah was in power, isn't it ironic?
Their using your own medicine against you, just like Saddam did.

Now, from the above sequence of events, how do you think ordinary Iranians would feel when the US again, pressures the nation and threatens attack?

You think Ahmadinejad is going to take the accusations and ultimatums of George Bush seriously? A man who's judgment is so impaired and miscalculated he started two disastrous wars with absolutely no justification or compelling evidence?

No freakin' wonder he wants to deter a US attack with Bush & Co. at the helm of the world's largest military force.
Iran is not in a happy position, being surrounded by US forces and bases on all sides. I would be arming myself to the teeth if a man like that told me "All options are on the table."


By the way didnt America start it's own Nuclear Programme all those years ago? The US was in the exact same position as the Iranians; rumors of a German programme under development fueled yours, yet here America is trying to attack Iran for sticking up for itself?

Oh yeah what whackjobs!
Standing up to decades of US aggression..


American policy so hypocritical and back-&-forth it's no wonder everyone is waking up and standing up to decades of America hegemony.
How the hell do you expect America to be trusted by nations like Iran if you can't decide for yourselves who's friend and who's foe?

20 years ago Saddam was an Ally, today he's dead.
30 years ago Iran was an Ally, today you want to nuke them.


As for Israel nukes,lets not forget that this is the same Israel that publically stated they would be willing to use Nuclear Weapons in certain situations:

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"All options are on the table, not only in the future."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/943594.html

Not only they have Nuclear Weapons but acquired them in secret without any discussion, then Iran most certainly can have them. The hypocrisies displayed in US Foreign Policy are not fair and not justified. Iran has yet to attack anyone.

Iran has done little to evoke such a staunchly bad reputation in America, and has much reason to fear an American attack.
US Foreign Policy has to stop picking sides and stop playing "Good Cop, Bad Cop" whenever it suits them.

Unless some damning allegations and evidence surface, Iran just needs to be left alone and not forced into a corner before it's really forced to do something drastic.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Back to the topic,for those who cant understand why Iran is going after nukes(all assumptions btw) it is perhaps because the US has given the Iranians little reason to trust them and their ultimatums and much justification to defend themselves by any means necessary.

right. so since iran doesn't have the ability to launch ICBMs that will reach the US, what you're really saying is that it is acceptable for the iranians to develop (and presumably use) these weapons on their own soil or on the soil of their neighbour(s) in response to a US attack?

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