One hell of a good tune though.

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Originally posted by Lira The Drake Equation?

No, that's not the one; however, it is similar. The equasion I'm thinking of was to determine the amount of advanced civilizations in the universe. Ultimately, all the parameters ended up equalling 1 x the amount of years a earthlike civilization could last.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Interesting, so you pretty much disregard the karmic cycle? I always thought that was petty much a pillar of the faith. I misunderstood you, I thought you point was that humans were not unique in comparason to other living things. Just veering off topic a bit here; there is an equasion used in Astronomy that more or less suggests that at any given moment there are as many earthlike civilizations in the universe as the amount of years that such a civilization can exist. It all kind of comes down to the believe that where life is possible it will exist and that natural selection will result in life evolving to and past a point equal to our own on all worlds where life exists provided it is not prematurely destroyed. I cannot remember it now but it does make sense to me. Given the there is an infinit number of stars there must be an enourmous amount of life. Sure, we are an improbability but life is not, given the law of large numbers, it's a certainty.

Actually, the karmic cycle is downplayed in quite a few of the variations/sects on Buddhism. Possibly the best example would be comparing Dogen (Zen) and Shinran's (Shin) ways (the latter would argue that a killer rather than a saint is closer to the perfect enlightenment).

I see...

The numbers provided by the course I made reference to was something along these lines:

The probability of the solar system with the same makeup that ours has: 1 in 10^3

The probability of an Earth/Moon system like ours: 1 in 10^9

Multiplying those, one finds that those alone give us a huge number to work with (1 in 10^12 - Note: There are 10^11 stars in a typical galaxy). Now, this is before we can even begin to consider the probability of the the galaxy being where it is in the universe, let alone the universe existing as it is (which is unfathomable, really). The number would already be PHENOMENAL. On top of that, you'd have to include the various probabilities of the Earth being unaffected by various external forces that could have changed its makeup, location or whatnot... and only THEN can one factor in this idea of organic materials forming and the whole concept of things evolving as they did. It's soooo damn interesting when you think about it. Haha. Astronomy, huh? Hmm!

But yes, we are definitely a certainty in this universe of amazing things.

^ I'll have to look into some of the differing sects in Buddhism. In truth, my knowledge of Buddhism is no where near what I would like it to be... of the great faiths it is likely the one I know the least about.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Yan I see... The numbers provided by the course I made reference to was something along these lines: The probability of the solar system with the same makeup that ours has: 1 in 10^3 The probability of an Earth/Moon system like ours: 1 in 10^9 Multiplying those, one finds that those alone give us a huge number to work with (1 in 10^12 - Note: There are 10^11 stars in a typical galaxy). Now, this is before we can even begin to consider the probability of the the galaxy being where it is in the universe, let alone the universe existing as it is (which is unfathomable, really). The number would already be PHENOMENAL. On top of that, you'd have to include the various probabilities of the Earth being unaffected by various external forces that could have changed its makeup, location or whatnot... and only THEN can one factor in this idea of organic materials forming and the whole concept of things evolving as they did. It's soooo damn interesting when you think about it. Haha. Astronomy, huh? Hmm!

So, you are specifically dealing with the odds of this solar-system and the specific life on it existing rather then similar life? In that sense I would conceed that we are most definately unique and the odds of homo sapien sapiens existing is quite small.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard ^ I'll have to look into some of the differing sects in Buddhism. In truth, my knowledge of Buddhism is no where near what I would like it to be... of the great faiths it is likely the one I know the least about.

And I into astronomy. Always thought about it but now that we've had this conversation and I've completed that biology course, I feel it ripe to dabble.

This was fun! Gotta catch a plane now... later.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard So, you are specifically dealing with the odds of this solar-system and the specific life on it existing rather then similar life? In that sense I would conceed that we are most definately unique and the odds of homo sapien sapiens existing is quite small.

Exactly! The idea you spoke of is something I'm not too familiar with...

I've had this book in queue for some time now but I think I should start reading:

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard This was fun! Gotta catch a plane now... later.

Have a safe flight.

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Originally posted by Yan Have a safe flight.

that looks like a really good book.

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Originally posted by Rook tbh honest everything he states in the bible and especially what he reveals in the quran seems to check out.

what, like that noah put dinosaurs on the ark? :youreafvckingretard:

if you had half a brain you would realise the bible is just a story, open for interpretation. if you take a literal interpretation of the bible, christianity is a pile of hypocritical bullshit, rife with incest and sinning. the only leg christianity has to stand on is the "open to interpretation" leg. most smart christians understand this. now go and read the bible again, you noob. fvcking nothing "checks out".

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Originally posted by hooknife I'll take it a step further and say stupid weak people beleive in god.

i'll take it a step further and say stupid people who think they're intelligent don't believe in the possibility of a god.

guess what? neither side of the coin has been proven, so agnostic is the only intelligent stance to take.

Like the matrix, there have been previous realities, with ours being just one reality in an endless cycle of realities all trying to balance themselves out.

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I think debating about religions is so wrong and should be avoided at all costs.

The one exception is if someone is confused about their beliefs and seeking spiritual guidance.

Otherwise - it's totally pointless.

For example: a catholic person can only defend their beliefs by USING their beliefs - if they are discussing them with an atheist, the only means through which they could defend themselves are deemed bullshit in the eyes of their opponent in the discussion, and vice versa. The argument will go nowhere - you are "wrong" to your opponent and your opponent is "wrong" to you.

PS. Atheists joking about and trying to convince devout Christians/Muslims/Buddhists etc. that there is no higher power are on par with the freak shows who go door-to-door and dump their preachings on random strangers, imo.

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

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