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Originally posted by Andrieux LOL @ all your parentheses.

sometimes a girls gotta have a point within a point.. ya'am sayn?

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Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat? don't be disappointed Alain...(wasn't being judgemental at all) I understand exactly what you're saying.. it's actually amazing when someone goes to a venue (with edm especially) not knowing what the hell they're getting into, and then realizes that they are an instant fan of the culture and music. (but there is truth to the fact about what i said: that around half the people there are just THAT... not knowing what they're about to listen to, and completely in the dark as to what DJ there is playing at the moment..) I would be HOPING that their experience would be amazing and would have them coming back for more. (it benefits us as music lovers/promotors/djs/clubs, etc). And you're right that we've all been there at some point, in the beginning stages of "what the heck is this music?!? i love it!" (even if it was in the 80's ) and that's why most of us stand here today trying to support and enjoy. (whatever venue it may be). My whole point in my post was to say that I could care less about the DJ playing it...(most would differ).. i just want to hear some solid music (oh, and P.S. there is also truth to the fact that HELLA peeps spill drinks @ ruby...I, myself have probably been one of them at some point )

I understand more of what your saying after reading this following your last response, so I'm not disappointed now that I also understand who you are more. I guess in less words, I was saying out of any known music culture we're definitely one of the few who constantly have to keep working hard to keep our audience consistently growing, so there shouldn't be any reason to outcast those just because they don't immediately understand it the way we do.

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Originally posted by Ten15 Yes thats right 1015 is far from dead.. in fact its one of the busiest places in the city.. So the future is bright,, and is about to go supernova!! Born on the days where 1015 will have a variety of cutting edge music..

judging from 1015's website, you wouldn't know that. it wasn't six months ago that every weekend on the calendar had an event posted for friday and saturday. now the calendar has one event posted for the next month and NOTHING the entire month of august until you get to sep 5th's get freaky party. instead your fancy flash site is being relegated to a bulletin board where some flyers are posted on the front page every once in a while. it appears as if the club is in steep decline from the looks of it. i have a friend who wants to buy presales for the collie buddz show this friday, but can't.

let's compare that to how thorough and well-managed ruby skye and mezzanine's websites are. these are still the venues you're trying to compete with right? events here are well-organized and posted several months in advance. the whole month to come is filled in with bookings along with links to buy tickets. most of all the same cheeseball track hasn't been playing on the site for over a year showing the world how out of sync it is.

you should understand that your website is your window to the world. the only thing you have out there other than the club itself that serves to represent everything you're about to everyone in the world 24/7/365. your customers and potential customers go there to scope the place out before deciding if they want to be there. it's clear that whoever is in charge of promoting it doesn't have any pride in his work.

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You made some valid points rich..
some of which have been remedied.

we are looking at getting a new website so that it is easier to see all the events coming up....

Maybe you TA's can help which club in the world has the best website and why..

oh and Digitalism and Juan Mclean Live on Friday September 12

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Originally posted by IRVING GRANADOS NO PROBLEM I WILL BUY A RED BULL LOL... AND IM NOT VIOLENT .. NO MORE THREATS!! is over!!! irving

Much better. I like the peaceful Irving much better. Really didn't mean to make you upset my friend. Just having fun. I enjoy writing crazy stuff sometimes or else it just seems everyone is saying the same things over and over. That's all it is. There is never a reason to feel offended. We are all friends on here.

Have a good week.

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Originally posted by Ten15 oh and Digitalism and Juan Mclean Live on Friday September 12

Hey! I might be going to 1015 finally!

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Originally posted by Ten15 Digitalism and Juan Mclean Live on Friday September 12

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Originally posted by Ten15 You made some valid points rich.. some of which have been remedied. we are looking at getting a new website so that it is easier to see all the events coming up.... Maybe you TA's can help which club in the world has the best website and why.. oh and Digitalism and Juan Mclean Live on Friday September 12

I didn't go to the site to check it out but do know what Rich is talking about from my last visit. Ease of navigation is very important and the flash calendar or dynamic page, whatever it is, was always kind of difficult to give people directions on how to sign up for the guestlist.

I would however argue that the most important component is a web site administrator - someone whom manages the site. Understand this is a full time job in many cases - could be a lateral duties connected to running a web site for a nightclub besides just keeping it up to date - online promotions, email lists, myspace, eventvibe (since their new format). I agree with Rich 100% on the importance of up-to-date event information and the importance of a web site in an overall marketing/public relations program. An agressive online/email presence is huge, particularly in an industry where as Rich said, "customers and potential customers go [to the website] to scope the place out." I know I do this everytime I go to a new place.

It's not about being fancy and expensive. When it comes to a web site, it's about a user-friendly interface (knowing your market - event calendar, guestlists, CC transactions, directions, floorplan, and possibly even photos and resident DJ download/stream links), translating the unique appeal (The Wow factor - forget about the water wall, never noticed it as long as I have been going there - 4 rooms, 4 different genres of music usually, sound system, decor (could be better but seems to be getter there again), the fact that upstairs is 2/3 a legit ultra lounge contained within the club and up there on the other side is a legit ultra lounge within the club), and projecting an image/establishing a brand identity (brands are built with lots of focused energy and hard work - Good reputations are built as a result of dedicated branding. Bad reputations are built as a result of lack of a focused marketing program).

So anyways, the Internet is probably the most widely used and least expensive medium for communicating to your customers - whether it be 1015.com, Myspace, TA, or several other sites/forums. I'm sure there's an easy way to get a list of all 1015 fotos to pop up on eventvibe. eventvibe now hosts all photos. Individuals can upload their fotos there so anyone with a camera can display their images. A great feature I think but also a nifty way for a club to acquire constantly changing content at no cost.

Hmmm, I just like that Rich honestly and clearly defined short-coming here instead of everyone saying the same thing over and over.

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Originally posted by Jeffree Hey! I might be going to 1015 finally!

definately make it this Saturday. Gonna be fun. Lyndsay has a free b4 11pm list.

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Originally posted by Alain I understand more of what your saying after reading this following your last response, so I'm not disappointed now that I also understand who you are more. I guess in less words, I was saying out of any known music culture we're definitely one of the few who constantly have to keep working hard to keep our audience consistently growing, so there shouldn't be any reason to outcast those just because they don't immediately understand it the way we do.

I think when we feel more comfortable with one crowd we tend to try and justify our rejection of others.

I've been vocal about my preference for 1015 over Ruby skye but Lyndsay and I both were lovin Ruby Skye last Thursday. A lot of us were but the secret is to get there early, dance, and cut out when the one dancefloor gets too crowded which it always does. I've met some really good people at Ruby Skye but yeah, it is definately a different crowd than 1015 and honestly, i prefer the 1015 crowd. I've had several girl friends come up to me while at Ruby and say, "this guy is totally sticking his hand up my skirt." Totally unacceptable in my book. And when it happens frequently, it does say something about the patronage. And we all spill drinks! No matter where we are.

I agree....a website that's easy to update is key. If you don't have a dynamic publish system created to update Flash sites, it's a bitch.

I imagine some think I'll say bring the Ten15 board back. But, honestly, I think a better idea would be for them to say they support TA and send people onto this board. What has made this one board get more popular over the past few years is the Ten15 board being gone...is the Spundae board getting less participation (mainly because most of its users were in LA and once Spundae went to Avalon and a sub-organizer, talked from then died), etc....all those people finding their way here...so we have a bigger community that gets a tastes of what we think of all events, all clubs, all promoters...and it only makes the scene better. I remember when there were just a few of us on this board that pospted regularly and were from the bay area....now it's pretty even between NorCal and SoCal it seems...that's a good thing.

Just try to plan on updating the site on a particular night each week as it warrents. I update the Spundae site on Mondays....mainly because I always forget to do on Sundays, heheh....if anything is announced during the week through the club or whatever, I'll usually just wait until the following Monday to add it unless the date is real soon or if it's a BIG date being announced....some weeks it only takes minutes to update, other weeks it takes more as I gather DJ pics, ticket links, etc...in the end, not too hard...just a tad tedious...

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Originally posted by CaptKirk I think when we feel more comfortable with one crowd we tend to try and justify our rejection of others. I've been vocal about my preference for 1015 over Ruby skye but Lyndsay and I both were lovin Ruby Skye last Thursday. A lot of us were but the secret is to get there early, dance, and cut out when the one dancefloor gets too crowded which it always does. I've met some really good people at Ruby Skye but yeah, it is definately a different crowd than 1015 and honestly, i prefer the 1015 crowd. I've had several girl friends come up to me while at Ruby and say, "this guy is totally sticking his hand up my skirt." Totally unacceptable in my book. And when it happens frequently, it does say something about the patronage. And we all spill drinks! No matter where we are.

Yep, a prob with some of Ruby's crowd...that said, it's still a million lightyears better than it was 3-4 years ago.

That all said when I'd bring Michelle with me to Ten15 she was ALWAYS being grabbed and had guys all up in her face...one time I almost ended up in a fight with a dude who was grabbing all kinds of girls. I was literally going after him when some other girl who was grabbed got security and by the time I got to him, they were there and they had to hold me back and put me in an arm lock. This was long ago when Ronski Speed & Second Sun played at Ten15....security was cool in the end and let me go, but I was ready to be kicked out, arrested, etc...glad they stopped me. Point is, same shit goes on at Ten15 and is not an exception.

Long as people are loving the music and acting appopriately and dancig with respect, crowds are fine. Every venue has their issues.

Ten15 is a venue that's much, much easier to hang with friends and I think it's why a number of TAs like going to Ten15 more. I actually agree...if it's too hang with friends and run around and have fun, Ten15 can be a btter place....my only issue is that half the crowd sometimes is zombied out most of the night and it can be a distraction. And they need to get people who actually know how to do lighting.

A club's website may not get a ton of traffic....but when someone comes to it and it looks clean and is updated regularly with all info being up to date, it gives a real good impression.