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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} That's one half of the nature vs. nurture argument, yes. Thanks for making this personal, an excellent way to open communication lines and debate rationally. And yes, children most certainly learn how to misbehave. Monkey-see, monkey-do is the oldest adage in the book!

Don't take it personally. It applies to everyone. Unless you know someone who has never lied, cheated, or stolen, let me know..

No, children don't learn to misbehave. There natural tendency is to misbehave. It is parental guidance which instructs them otherwise.

Now, if children are not inherently selfish, misbehaving creatures, than we should have at least 1 government which has lasted through the ages. The fact is, every government is corrupt, because humans are inherently corrupt, from the 3 year old child, up to the 60 year old statesman. You must live in a very rosy world, to think us humans are actually inherently good! I want what you're smokin! Evolution requires a selfish creature. Otherwise that creature will be extinct in no time.

And because every government is corrupt, what is your alternative to our current form of government? Another corrupt government? What does the radical libertarian movement have in mind? Abolish the Fed? Ok, what takes its place? Gold standard? Ok, what prevents an exodus to gold? You guys rail against the system, but yet, none of you understand the system, and more importantly, none of you has an alternative.

So I have a question.

What's your alternative to the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency? Especially given the corrupt nature of government.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I just think that it's funny that I actually have an entire gaggle of trolls whose pathetic little lives have come to revolve around their constantly following me from post to post in the attempt to discredit me in the hopes of discouraging others from listening to what I've been saying.

Yes, because everyone gets so excited to post whenever you show up.

Seriously, you drag shit threads from their death bed and drown out all the decent topics. Doesn't one "oh noes the government is coming to take my freedoms" thread suffice for you?

It's just pathetic that there's this vibrant community of people on this board with some interest in politics and (oh noes!) actual POLICY, and then you nuts have to come and sour the discourse and divert attention from the actual important topics.

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Well apparently these threads have like a billion more times the hits compared with the fucking boring shit most people post here.

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Originally posted by Krypton So I have a question. What's your alternative to the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency? Especially given the corrupt nature of government.

What a segue.

It's rather futile, I'm sure you'd agree, to assume a 25 year old drum and bass producer/culinary graduate has deeply pondered the faults of your economic system, or central bank system in general.

I'll let someone else stick their foot in their mouth on that subject.

A true federalised bank, run by bureaucrats and politicians rather than billionaire bankers might be a good start. I've got much cooler things to do than harp on an economy that I barely take part in.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} It's rather futile, I'm sure you'd agree, to assume a 25 year old drum and bass producer/culinary graduate has deeply pondered the faults of your economic system, or central bank system in general.

with all due respect BSE (and for what its worth, i always held you in high regard until you started posting in these kinds of threads )

but given the strength with which you hold certain beliefs, and your unwillingness to grasp real, factual information that litter any research medium with which you might choose to use- do you think it is intellectually dishonest of you to then turn around and make this kind of comment (about central banks)?

i appreciate that you care a lot about your topics, and that is to be commended. but if youre going to (copy) post at length then i expect a slightly better understanding than this reply indicates.

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Originally posted by culorut's new sig!!!! PKC:youre right, im a troll when it comes to these topics. im not that concerned.

the really funny point here is cretinrot never posts in any other threads other than these conspiracy pieces of nonsense, so the irony that his sig identifies shit threads is lost on him

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Upset I am showing everyone that you said it yourself that you are a troll?

Too bad. You had it coming.

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Originally posted by culorut Well apparently these threads have like a billion more times the hits compared with the fucking boring shit most people post here.

Yes, judge the importance of an issue by how many times you click on it.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN with all due respect BSE (and for what its worth, i always held you in high regard until you started posting in these kinds of threads ) but given the strength with which you hold certain beliefs, and your unwillingness to grasp real, factual information that litter any research medium with which you might choose to use- do you think it is intellectually dishonest of you to then turn around and make this kind of comment (about central banks)? i appreciate that you care a lot about your topics, and that is to be commended. but if youre going to (copy) post at length then i expect a slightly better understanding than this reply indicates.

Ok, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by all this. I think, stating, that it would be unwise for me to continue in an economic discussion is rather honest of me, intellectually. Tongue in cheek all the way here, m8.

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It's rather futile, I'm sure you'd agree, to assume a 25 year old drum and bass producer/culinary graduate has deeply pondered the faults of your economic system, or central bank system in general.

See? This is me saying, "I have no genuine idea". I've lost interest utterly in debating economics, once realising the depths at which I was debating in. Fuck dat, as they say.

Then I follow up by saying,

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I'll let someone else stick their foot in their mouth on that subject.

Sooooo.. in essence, I am at a loss for what you think I was trying to say.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yes, judge the importance of an issue by how many times you click on it.

Actually you should be paying more attention, numbers are everything. You are missing the point here and I am sure if the topic had no real interest it would have floated away in cyberspace a very long time ago.

The general public is very aware of what has transpired and the most of the threads especially the 9/11 thread has the most views and replies for this exact same reason.

The official 9/11 story is not anywhere good enough, it's not even close. If you cannot see this I really don't expect you to see the reality of the cover up.

Real issues gather attention, nonsense topic's and threads do not stand the test of time.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} A true federalised bank, run by bureaucrats and politicians rather than billionaire bankers might be a good start.

LOL, you just put your foot in your mouth..

So you'de rather have politicians controlling our money supply? The only thing their going to do is inflate the currency on election years. The vast majority of politicians have no idea how the Fed works, yet, you'de like them to control it?

Additionally, the Federal Reserve Governors are appointed by the President. And if the Fed is to be the "lender of last resort", borrowers, kind of have to be members of this bank. You can't just walk into any bank and ask for a loan. They will require you become a member of that bank.

Also, check out the case of Perry versus United States. It decided that a law whereby creditors could demand debt repayment by gold, was unconstitutional. The government doesn't have to repay a bond in gold.

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