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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That's great. You just be sure to remember that little nugget of wisdom should you ever get shot defending yourself whilst trying to be the big man.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But then topics like this come up and practically every non-American emotes and opines about how Americans are all a bunch of primitive cowboy wanna-bes with low IQs and masculinity issues, as if they had some psychotic itch for would-be robbers to step on their property just so they could blast a few holes in them.

Right on cue. Good show.

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Originally posted by Fledz Hey diggerz, do you need any more proof at just how skewed your fellow countrymens opinions are? Just look at the responses from them. If you disagree with them, then you've managed to break the mold and there's hope for you yet. If you agree with them, then my points are all the more valid.

You do realize he isn't an American right?

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Originally posted by Zild You do realize he isn't an American right?

He came across to me as if he lived there. Just because his flag isn't a US one, doesn't mean he doesn't live there. If he isn't, apologies.

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As a European living in US, I wish Europeans wouldn't be so myopic to immediately dismiss guns out of hand.

Self defense is one thing, but being able to protect yourself from abuses of a given government is entirely different, no one should ever give up that right or be mocked for it.

im hurt

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Self defense is one thing, but being able to protect yourself from abuses of a given government is entirely different, no one should ever give up that right or be mocked for it.

give me an example in a western democracy of a civilian militia that has been able to effect meaningful change/protection of/from their government?

the idea that this could be achieved is absolute bollocks.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN give me an example in a western democracy of a civilian militia that has been able to effect meaningful change/protection of/from their government? the idea that this could be achieved is absolute bollocks.

By definition, that sort of a thing doesn't happen in a "western democracy". Because if it had, that country would no longer be considered a "western democracy".

However, there are plenty examples of states in the 20th century for whom one of the first acts to enslave its people was to outlaw firearm ownership. That's certainly no coincidence.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne By definition, that sort of a thing doesn't happen in a "western democracy". Because if it had, that country would no longer be considered a "western democracy". However, there are plenty examples of states in the 20th century for whom one of the first acts to enslave its people was to outlaw firearm ownership. That's certainly no coincidence.

ugh, we're going through that old chestnut again are we? the fact of the matter remains that no strong state has ever been destabilised because of mummy and daddy's gun collection.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ugh, we're going through that old chestnut again are we? the fact of the matter remains that no strong state has ever been destabilised because of mummy and daddy's gun collection.

You're not really buttressing your argument here.

The state isn't destabilized by gun ownership. To the contrary, the state is destabilized by malignant forces in the government which firearm ownership keeps in check to some extent. Thus, firearm ownership is a stabilizing force within a state.

Furthermore the definition of a "strong state" is certainly debatable. Strong based on what benchmarks?

Also, I'm not sure what your problem of is with "going through the same old chestnut" but there is a reason why USSR, Nazi Germany and several Asian dictatorships are used as an example of what happens when gun ownership is banned. Because it's true. Conversely, it's also the reason why Saddam was never able to pacify the Kurds during his reign, as much as he wanted to.