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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You're right but you are ahead of yourself. In order to have a police presence you have to have some civility or order to the government and establish some sort of control in the area before you can 'police' it - hence military... It's the whole reason they're still there!

There was order. Just not the order our peaceful governments wanted. People don't like being occupied. So thanks to these endless occupations, the terrorists get all the money, recruits, and support they could ever ask for. Is terrorism any closer to being ended?

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I dont see how occupying a whole country is suppose to fight an ideology? this is a very unrealistic goal and simply wont be achieved.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Pakistan is not Kashmir, all the attacks in Pakistan mentioned in that qoute is in border areas of Afghanistan.. so it should be considered an extension of on-going war in Afghanistan which has lost its borders and moved to North Pakistan.

Fair enough, that does even less for his argument.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You're right but you are ahead of yourself. In order to have a police presence you have to have some civility or order to the government and establish some sort of control in the area before you can 'police' it - hence military... It's the whole reason they're still there!

This is a legitimate argument for Afghanistan, but not Iraq, where there was no evidence of Islamic militancy prior to the 2003 invasion.

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Everyone disregard Fir3start3r's quote in page before this, as he has failed to link the source and looks like its his own cooked up data.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Everyone disregard Fir3start3r's quote in page before this, as he has failed to link the source and looks like its his own cooked up data.

I'd like to see a link to. That's a good collection of information and it would be interesting to have it available to play with.

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Originally posted by atbell I'd like to see a link to. That's a good collection of information and it would be interesting to have it available to play with.

Most prolly he wrote it himself with his imagination and Notepad software bundeled in Microsoft Windows..

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In case you war apologists forgot....631 CIVILIANS KILLED IN AUGUST...So much for the surge...

THIS WEEK IN IRAQ...

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Thursday 4 September: 7 dead Baghdad: 1 body found. Ninewa Mosul: policeman dies in clashes; roadside bomb kills 1; 2 bodies found. Diyala Muradiya: roadside bomb kills woman. Basra Basra: British forces kill man at home during raid. Wednesday 3 September: 10 dead Baghdad: 4 security men on patrol killed by US helicopter fire; gunmen kill general director of Transport Ministry, Ur; 1 body found. Babil Iskandariya: roadside bomb kills 1 at market. Diyala Muqdadiya: roadside bomb kills 1. Ninewa Mosul: policeman dies in clashes with gunmen; child dies in drive-by shooting. Tuesday 2 September: 22 dead Baghdad: roadside bombs kill 4; gunmen kill 1; 3 Sahwa members killed by gunmen during patrol. Ninewa Mosul: car bomb kills 7 (including 2 children); gunmen kill 2; 1 body found. Babil Haswa: bomb outside house kills owner and passer-by. Wassit Suwayra: 2 bodies. Monday 1 September: 6 dead Baghdad: suicide bomber kills 1 Sahwa member, Tarmiya; 1 body found. Diyala Othmaniya: bomb inside water pump kills 3 family members. Tameem Kirkuk: roadside bomb kills child. Sunday 31 August: 8 dead Baghdad: gunmen kill man in his car; 2 bodies. Ninewa Mosul: gunemn kill policeman and his brother; 2 bodies. Wassit Kut: gunmen kill policeman's wife. AUGUST TOTAL: 631 CIVILIANS KILLED -8 by US forces, 11 of them children. Saturday 30 August: 5 dead Baghdad: 2 bodies. Ninewa Mosul: gunmen kill policeman; 1 body found. Tameem Kirkuk: bodyguard's body found, hours after being abducted. Friday 29 August: 13 dead Baghdad: bomb attached to car kills driver, Mansour; 2 bodies. Ninewa Mosul: 1 dies in clashes; 2 bodies. Diyala Khalis: roadside bomb kills 1. Al-Wathba: gunmen kill Sahwa member, his wife and 2 sons. Babil Iskandariya: 2 bodies.

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General director of Transport Ministry the best kill this week.

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Funny how those die hard "surge" supporters cant explain whats happening in Iraq right now... Latin?Fir3start3r?

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Here is the real situation in Iraq, from Iraq, and without censorship...The invasion is a failure and will never succeed.

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Originally posted by Krypton Here is the real situation in Iraq, from Iraq, and without censorship...The invasion is a failure and will never succeed.

Excellent documentary and a good reality check for those who are failing to see whats really happening in that country.

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