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Originally posted by DJ_Science One thing I find funny about this ad is the guys who put it together have publicly stated they did it on a mac

That's not funny and very irrelevant.

Did you know Apple shipped Pentium 4 PCs as their developer system box so their programmers could port the apps into OSX?

Every platform has its own pros and cons.

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Originally posted by DigiNut If that's your standard of proof, it's clearly useless to try to have an intellectual discussion with you. This is called circular reasoning, or begging the question: OS X is great, because all of its apps are great, and I know XCode is great because it was used to create OS X (which is great). Even if you had a sliver of objective evidence that OS X is as great as you want to believe, that really doesn't prove anything about XCode. Banks and insurance companies use efficient, rock-solid systems made in COBOL, one of the worst platforms ever conceived. Most medical systems are based on some type of embedded C - the same language Windows is built on. Hell, some of the most beautiful sculptures ever created were made with not much other than a chisel and some stone; does that mean they're good tools to use when you're building a skyscraper? You could not possibly be more full of shit. If you had just said you happen to like Macs better as a personal preference (as others in this thread have done), nobody would have taken you to task over it. But no, just like the stereotypical "I'm a Mac" asshole, you had to fly in on your doucheplane and start showering your douchenuggets over everybody else. Finally, I cannot believe you'd criticize developers for not wanting to "go through the learning curve again". Are you really this fucking stupid? You know nothing about the craft and yet you consider yourself fit to pass judgment like this? Developers have to keep up with massive amounts of technological change; the learning curve never ends. Learning a new language, a new framework, is nothing, it's easy peasy if you understand the fundamentals of algorithms and software design. Developers don't hate Macs because they would have to learn something, they hate Macs because developing software for the Mac is a fucking pain in the ass. End of discussion! Even after I explained it in the last post, you still don't understand the difference between an IDE (XCode), a framework (Cocoa), and a programming language (Objective-C). Just cut your losses and shut up while there are still 3 people on the forum who don't think you're a moron.

Maybe you missed this part, asshole

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At the end of the day, it what you choose to work with. For me, Macs work better.

Now piss off, your computer needs to be formatted. Again.

On a lighter note:

Digi, Don't you just love the one-line respond to your five paragraph post?

Oh and you got a bonus video too so cute...

Hey plaxx

Here are some fun marketshare statistics for you.

Windows: 90.66%

OS X: 7.86%


SHUT THE FUCK UP, GODDAMNIT

For all those ppl that keep harping on how the ads were created by CS3 installed on a Mac and why's it's irrelevant to MS' image is that it's more so on the ad agency. As one that worked in an ad agency there's usually a pretty clear "eat the dog-food" policy on things like using your client's products.

The fact that most creatives/post processing types are used to the Mac platform is pretty indicative of the field (did I just stereotype...?)and is much of why the files made it up on site as they did. What's missed on all of this is that MS really isn't to blame, but rather the agency for allowing it to happen. Like it or not, if I have Brand X as a client, you generally shouldn't be allowing direct competitor's Brand Y products to be showing up to briefings, meetings, etc., or anywhere in the process. If you're insistent on using Brand Y, maybe you should be sure that it doesn't get out that you did. Put it this way, do you think that any of the creative types or account types showed up to any of the client meetings with MS with a Mac in tow? In the end, that was the agency dropping the ball.

As for Plaxx, I'm sorry, you're an idiot. I use Mac/Windows/Linux in my job and I can say I've crashed all 3 and I've been able to run stably on all 3. A Windows user inherently has more ability to cause a crash in their system due to the fact that the vast majority of poorly written apps will show up in the Windows pool of software. Does this mean all Mac software is well written? No, it just means that there aren't nearly as many to choose from and install to compromise your system stability. It's really a matter of statistics which, if you haven't figured out yet, is the art of skewing numbers to make your point.

I don't know how many times I've had to deal with Mac updates essentially break things and cause apps to stop functioning properly. Does that happen in Windows? All the time. But don't feed me this bull of shit just working better in Macs. Ask anyone who had to deal with a decent number of computers how quickly they upgraded to Leopard from Tiger. I can tell you very few did immediately because it broke so many things from working. How did Vista fare? Not much better. How many more users did it potentially affect? No wonder you hear more shit about Vista sucking balls and being a pain to upgrade. (and for the record, Vista isn't that bad, but it's definitely not great, but it's no where near as unusuable as the fanbois make it out to be)

The only thing I will agree on is use what is comfortable and works, because when it all comes down to it more than 98% percent of users are useless when the GUI is gone. The underlying kernel doesn't give a shit whether you like Aqua or Aero, Gnome or KDE, it will only do what you tell it to. If you poorly tell it do something, it will perform it poorly. I found it ironic that despite the "ease of use" factor for Macs, I actually get the most amount done by sticking to the terminal, and found I was able to configure the OS more to my liking only through the terminal (why the hell can I not show all hidden system files in Finder without dropping to the terminal and manually changing the setting?).

As for my take on the ad campaign, not that it matters, it was nice to see Seinfeld back on the tv, and the I'm a PC ad was a clever way to incorporate a response to the Mac ads. I'm guessing that most ppl born later than say 1990ish didn't really get the Seinfeld stuff at all, but then again, maybe it's the fact that I still make an effort to stop on Seinfeld repeats when I come across them that I liked them. One thing I did get a sense of is that it's not really aimed at converting Mac users to Vista, but rather trying to get existing XP users to consider Vista in a new light.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Just cut your losses and shut up while there are still 3 people on the forum who don't think you're a moron.

lol I was one of them until you delivered that satanic pwnage.

ps. cale what happened to your classic (starring you):

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Originally posted by spolitta Every platform has its own pros and cons.

Thats all the nerding out i have to forth this topic... it sooo played out buy what you want it yuour loss... or not.

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Originally posted by plaxx Now piss off, your computer needs to be formatted. Again.

Hasn't happened since 2002, when I installed Windows XP. This includes several hardware upgrades.

One thing I notice about these debates - the Mac/Linux users who hate on Windows always seem to base a large number of their criticisms on Windows 95/98. Yes, those operating systems really did suck. But then again, so did the Mac System 6/7 (and as for Linux, it still sucks).

It's like saying Blu-Ray sucks because it has poor picture and sound quality, degrades over time, loses vertical sync, and [insert list of all the problems with VHS tapes]. Right on.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme In Apple's case, our OS system is better than Vista, which has a lot of bugs.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme In Apple's case, our OS system is better than Vista, which has a lot of bugs.

YOUR OS, is a royal pain in the ass if you ask me lol, been using Vista lately ... so far no complaints.

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