Some more prominent conservative endorsements of Obama:

The Barry Goldwater clan:

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Why McCain Has Lost Our Vote CC Goldwater Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me. Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket. My grandfather (Paka) would never suggest denying a woman's right to choose. My grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1930's, a cause my grandfather supported. I'm not sure about how he would feel about marriage rights based on same-sex orientation. I think he would feel that love and respect for ones privacy is what matters most and not the intolerance and poor judgment displayed by McCain over the years. Paka respected our civil liberties and passed on the message that that we should conduct our lives standing up for the basic freedoms we hold so dear. For a while, there were several candidates who aligned themselves with the Goldwater version of Conservative thought. My grandfather had undying respect for the U.S. Constitution, and an understanding of its true meanings. There always have been a glimmer of hope that someday, someone would "race through the gate" full steam in Goldwater style. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened, and the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear. Nothing about McCain, except for maybe a uniform, compares to the same ideology of what Goldwater stood for as a politician. The McCain/Palin plan is to appear diverse and inclusive, using women and minorities to push an agenda that makes us all financially vulnerable, fearful, and less safe. When you see the candidate's in political ads, you can't help but be reminded of the 1964 presidential campaign of Johnson/Goldwater, the 'origin of spin', that twists the truth and obscures what really matters. Nothing about the Republican ticket offers the hope America needs to regain it's standing in the world, that's why we're going to support Barack Obama. I think that Obama has shown his ability and integrity. After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-go...v_b_137150.html

What do you think? Obviously conservatives couldn't support Obama based on issues. This one based on race too?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I doubt I could. That being said, the mujahideen went on to become our troublesome pals in the Taliban, and train new radical fundamentalists. He also co-founded the Trilateral Commission with D. Rockefeller in '73, which, along with the CFR, is the primary organisation bent on globalisation and one world government. But no matter, right? Let's not knock 'change'.

Again with allegations you haven't proven at all. How are either organizations tangibly working toward one world government?

You act as if globalization is a bad (or avoidable) outcome, yet its the inevitable result of a capitalist society in this technological world.

If you believe that these organizations are somehow controlling the world irrevocably, please provide proof.

K? Thanks, much obliged.

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A libertarian endorsement for Obama:

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Why the Republicans Must Lose Nothing short of defeat will put the GOP back on its limited government track Radley Balko | October 22, 2008 I grew up in a particularly conservative part of the already conservative state of Indiana. I voted for Bob Dole in 1996 and George Bush in 2000, generally because—though I'm not a conservative (I'm a libertarian)—I'd always thought the GOP was the party of limited government. By 2002, I was less sure of that. And by 2004, I was so fed up with the party that I did what I thought I'd never do—vote for an unabashed leftist for president. Since then, "fed up" has soured to "given up." The Republican Party has exiled its Goldwater-Reagan wing and given up all pretense of any allegiance to limited government. In the last eight years, the GOP has given us a monstrous new federal bureaucracy in the Department of Homeland Security. In the prescription drug benefit, it's given us the largest new federal entitlement since the Johnson administration. Federal spending—even on items not related to war or national security—has soared. And we now get to watch as the party that's supposed to be "free market" nationalizes huge chunks of the economy's financial sector. This isn't to say that Barack Obama would be any better. Government would undoubtedly grow under his watch. And from my libertarian perspective, he has been increasingly disappointing even on the issues where he's supposed to be good. We may not go to war with Iran in an Obama administration, but we'd likely become entrenched in a prolonged nation-building adventure in the Sudan. Obama's vote on the FISA bill and telecom immunity also suggests that, for all his criticisms of President Bush's use of executive power and assaults on civil liberties, Obama wouldn't be much better. On the drug war, Obama has promised to end the federal raids on medical marijuana clinics in states that have legalized the drug for treatment, but he wants to resurrect failed federal criminal justice block grant programs that have had some disastrous effects on civil liberties. While I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an Obama administration (especially with a friendly Congress), the Republicans still need to get their clocks cleaned in two weeks, for a couple of reasons. First, they had their shot at holding power, and they failed. They've failed in staying true to their principles of limited government and free markets. They've failed in preventing elected leaders of their party from becoming corrupted by the trappings of power, and they've failed to hold those leaders accountable after the fact. Congressional Republicans failed to rein in the Bush administration's naked bid to vastly expand the power of the presidency (a failure they're going to come to regret should Obama take office in January). They failed to apply due scrutiny and skepticism to the administration's claims before undertaking Congress' most solemn task—sending the nation to war. I could go on. As for the Bush administration, the only consistent principle we've seen from the White House over the last eight years is that of elevating the American president (and, I guess, the vice president) to that of an elected dictator. That isn't hyperbole. This administration believes that on any issue that can remotely be tied to foreign policy or national security (and on quite a few other issues as well), the president has boundless, limitless, unchecked power to do anything he wants. They believe that on these matters, neither Congress nor the courts can restrain him. That's the second reason the GOP needs to lose. American voters need to send a clear, convincing repudiation of these dangerous ideas. If they do lose, the GOP would be wise to regroup and rebuild from scratch, scrap the current leadership, and, most importantly, purge the party of the "national greatness," neoconservative influence. Big-government conservatism has bloated the federal government, bogged us down in what will ultimately be a trillion-dollar war, and set us down the road to European-style socialism. It's hard to think of how Obama could be worse. He'll just be bad in different ways. The truth is, unless you vote for a third-party candidate (which really isn't a bad idea), you don't have much of a choice this November. You can either endorse the idea of a massive, invasive, ever-encroaching federal government that's used to promote center-left ideology, or you can endorse the idea of a massive, invasive, ever-encroaching federal government that's used to promote center-right ideology. Sadly, if the GOP does lose, it's likely to be interpreted not as a repudiation of the GOP's excesses, but as an endorsement of the Democrats'. When the only two parties who have a chance at winning both have a track record of expanding the size and scope of government, every election is likely to be interpreted as a win for big government—only the brand changes. Voting yourself more freedom simply isn't an option, at least if you want your vote to be taken seriously (and I'm not denigrating any third parties here; I'm just reflecting reality). Which brings me back to why the Republicans need to get throttled: A humiliated, decimated GOP that rejuvenates and rebuilds around the principles of limited government, free markets, and rugged individualism is really the only chance for voters to possibly get a real choice in federal elections down the road. Of course, there's no guarantee that's how the party will emerge from defeat. But the Republican Party in its current form has forfeited its right to govern.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/129599.html

This one must be racial as well, right?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Again with allegations you haven't proven at all. How are either organizations tangibly working toward one world government? You act as if globalization is a bad (or avoidable) outcome, yet its the inevitable result of a capitalist society in this technological world. If you believe that these organizations are somehow controlling the world irrevocably, please provide proof. K? Thanks, much obliged.

http://afgen.com/trilateral.html

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/cfr.html

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/cfr.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...eral_Commission
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How about some quotes from professionals on the TC? I'd rather hear it from someone you'd take seriously.

Barry Goldwater, quotes about Trilateral Commission:
The Trilateralist Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.

Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, PhD, quotes about Trilateral Commission:
The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission -- founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller -- and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens.

Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl: former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werne

David Rockefeller, quotes about Trilateral Commission:
Everything is in place - after 500 years - to build a true 'new world' in the Western Hemisphere." And what happens if we don't pass NAFTA? "I truly don't think that 'criminal' would be too strong a word" for "rejecting NAFTA.

John D. Rockefeller, Sr., quotes about Trilateral Commission:
The combination is here to stay. Individualism has gone, never to return.
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Instead of looking to me constantly, why don't you do a little of your own research, if you are indeed interested about the subject, and come to your own conclusions?

I fail to see how a family (the Rockefellers) that constitutes of trillions of dollars and a legacy of shrewd, self-serving political and economic moves should not be scrutinised and watched.
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In regards to globalisation, yes, I believe it is a 'bad thing'. Are the people being asked what they want? Why don't we have a world vote about it. 80 year old trillionaires should not be deciding the fate of our future.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov You act as if globalization is a bad (or avoidable) outcome, yet its the inevitable result of a capitalist society in this technological world.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of
servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go
home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your
chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye
were our countrymen."

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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that
unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my
country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of
corruption in high places will follow, and the money power
of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is
aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is
destroyed...a great industrial nation is controlled by its
system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated.
The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities
are in the hands of a few men...we have come to be one of
the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and
dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a
government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government
by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominent men."
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Abraham Lincoln, shortly before
he was assassinated.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Do you even know what globalization is?

Dictatorships are the least globalized societies in the world - how can you even portend to believe that globalization leads to a one world dictatorship? It just doesn't make sense.

Do we get a vote about evolution? There are some things that are inexorable and happen regardless of whether or not you approve.

This very forum is an example of globalization at work. So are the kabob restaurants on our street corners. Globalization isn't some nefarious plan laid out by individuals two centuries ago - it's the result of two thousand years of social evolution, set in motion by the likes of Marco Polo and Julius Caesar.

Does it make us more similar? Perhaps - but it also exposes us to our differences.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.}

I don't care about quotations carefully separated from all context - I'd much rather you provide me information on how these organizations have the capacity, means, and history of ACTUALLY taking steps toward the aims you believe they hold. Your German ph.d (in what?) professes that a one world dictatorship was to happen years ago - why didn't it?

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Originally posted by The17sss you're right, you're right... I was fired up from Groundhog Boy's attacks and the F-bomb's came out

Awww...poor baby. If you don't want to be called a complete fuckwad, don't post idiotic diatribes by people who followed up that post with this outburst on Monday. If it walks like a duck....

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Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
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We want your soul
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Pardon me, fuck you. Hold this for me...




As they say..."When Obama sneezes, the whole world catches a cold."

Even better...

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McCain Backer Attacked, Mutilated in Pittsburgh Here's what went down with the McCain/Palin supporter who was allegedly attacked in Pennsylvania last night. According to Pittsburgh cops, around 9:30 PM last night, a female was robbed after she went to the ATM. The victim says during the robbery, the assailant saw the McCain/Palin sticker on her car and became "enraged." He struck her and knocked her down, and allegedly carved a "B" on her cheek. The assailant is still at large. Police tell us all they have is a description -- a man, 6'4", with dark skin and dark clothes. A McCain spokesman confirmed to TMZ the victim volunteered in McCain's Pennsylvania office.

Politics...ain't it a bitch.

Last edited by Shakka on Oct-23-2008 at 20:55

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Originally posted by Shakka Even better... quote: McCain Backer Attacked, Mutilated in Pittsburgh Here's what went down with the McCain/Palin supporter who was allegedly attacked in Pennsylvania last night. According to Pittsburgh cops, around 9:30 PM last night, a female was robbed after she went to the ATM. The victim says during the robbery, the assailant saw the McCain/Palin sticker on her car and became "enraged." He struck her and knocked her down, and allegedly carved a "B" on her cheek. The assailant is still at large. Police tell us all they have is a description -- a man, 6'4", with dark skin and dark clothes. A McCain spokesman confirmed to TMZ the victim volunteered in McCain's Pennsylvania office. Politics...ain't it a bitch.

Black Panthers approve?

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."