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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Who? Noise artists?

Melodic noise! *goes to pioneer that genre*

I got bored of trance because i have to sift through 50 pages of trance tracks on beatport to not find one that is complete shit, and another fifty to find one that is actually good.

Its all about the structure, and that whole one main lead with fifty layers of arps and pads in the background slammed through compressors. Trance used to go from one lead to the next and back again, this is actually entrancing. A two minute percussion buildup then adding in a bass and playing a few notes of the melody before a white noise sweep and a hall kick into a breakdown with a super saw pad and an arp with a filter opening before finally throwing in the kick playing for another two minutes and adding an outro isn't very entrancing. Even in the late nineties there were tons of good shit, sure you had you fair amount of epic trance that was pretty bad but the music was far better than it is now.

The music definitely changed.

A pretty good track this year was. Vadim Zhukov - Talking To A God

Edit: i guess last year now

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Last edited by pwnage1 on Jan-07-2009 at 04:40

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Who? Noise artists?

Haha Noise can be...nice!



No i just assume that some people prefer the earlier more repeatetive/hypnotic/acid/technoy German trance which had less melody. When you add a LOT of melody it is inevitable that you'll get proggier and epic stuff and some people don't like that stuff so they prefer the early Harthouse and some MFS or something. Despite th fact that for the most part , trance was always about the melodies.

It is very interesting that everyone believes that today's epic-trance has changed in comparison to older epic-trance whereas it is themselves that changed.



I think that we have some sort of psychological illusion/effect which is worth investigating! I guess that people can't admit that their self-concept has changed and hence they attribute their perceptual changes to the music rather than to themselves.

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Originally posted by PETRAN No i just assume that some people prefer the earlier more repeatetive/hypnotic/acid/technoy German trance which had less melody. When you add a LOT of melody it is inevitable that you'll get proggier and epic stuff and some people don't like that stuff so they prefer the early Harthouse and some MFS or something. Despite th fact that for the most part , trance was always about the melodies.

Music can be "about the melodies" without reusing the same structure and same few sounds over and over again. I think the main problem that people with mainstream trance is that its producers have chosen to work with such a limited palette in every way -- emotionally, sonically, and structurally. There's nothing wrong with a supersaw or twinkly square lead in itself, or with a "summery nostalgia" or "uplifting" kind of melody, or even with an occasional big breakdown. But when those became basically the only things on offer within a genre, it gets awfully boring...

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Originally posted by Unable A person's EDM preference can be linked to the complexity of their emotional capacity/experience/requirements... Something along those lines, is that what you're saying?

not preference, just diversity of taste.

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Originally posted by PETRANYeah problem is that trance was almost ALWAYS ABOUT ALL these things you describe. You just tend to like the early German techno-trance sound with Harthouse and stuff. Pogressive Trance from the mid-90s was about the things you say.

yeah definitely, that's the case I'm making.

and if anyone defends the mid nineties prog it's probably from nostalgia.

Ja, ja Harthouse ist fantastisch. Jawohl!

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Originally posted by PETRAN It is very interesting that everyone believes that today's epic-trance has changed in comparison to older epic-trance whereas it is themselves that changed. I think that we have some sort of psychological illusion/effect which is worth investigating! I guess that people can't admit that their self-concept has changed and hence they attribute their perceptual changes to the music rather than to themselves.

I agree.

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Originally posted by nefardec and if anyone defends the mid nineties prog it's probably from nostalgia.

What if someone just likes it?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Music can be "about the melodies" without reusing the same structure and same few sounds over and over again. I think the main problem that people with mainstream trance is that its producers have chosen to work with such a limited palette in every way -- emotionally, sonically, and structurally. There's nothing wrong with a supersaw or twinkly square lead in itself, or with a "summery nostalgia" or "uplifting" kind of melody, or even with an occasional big breakdown. But when those became basically the only things on offer within a genre, it gets awfully boring...

In modern Deep House you get all these jazzy stabs. Well yeah...it is the only thing the genre offers and thats why some people are fans!



This is how music works in general. Some people invent a sound and everyone "jumps in the bondwagon". Once the jump is made, it is difficult to break the "perceptual fixation" of the genres characteristics and boundaries. It can be done though-gradually or even instantly (i guess)- and after a certain point we get a new genre! Yupieee

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Originally posted by nefardec not preference, just diversity of taste. yeah definitely, that's the case I'm making. and if anyone defends the mid nineties prog it's probably from nostalgia.

Still in the mid nineties prog there was considerably less shit.

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