The real threat to health is coming from industrial polluntants and the excessive use of the automobile. Where are the restrictions on their use? This is idiotic at best and facist at worst.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced we need second hand smoke.....people are living too long as it is...the population needs to be lowered by a good 3 billion...I am all for anything that helps lower the population....it should be manditory that everyone smoke, drink, and do massive amounts of blow.

Yes but the places that need the population reduced, ie. China and India, do not have any bans in place...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

As a non-smoker and a person who hates second hand smoke I say bring it on

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Originally posted by kotsy As a non-smoker and a person who hates second hand smoke I say bring it on

Until they ban something that other people hate and that you like to do, of course.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Until they ban something that other people hate and that you like to do, of course.

Ah so this is what its about then huh lol

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Originally posted by Inrush but why do i have to hold my breath. its my choice to breath. This is just going to go on and on. there is no right answer.

yeah but its my choice and my right to smoke. if its that bad how come smokes arent illegal??

cant smoke in the bar, in the club, in my car....now outside?? i would say its time to ban smokes, right??

nope. way too much money goes in their pockets.

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Once a friend of mine was smoking in an underground garage. Some guy drives up to him, opens the window and asks him to stop smoking. He says "are you some sort of security or a cop?" He says "No i just dont like breathing your smoke." He says "tell you what, you stop emitting your carcinogenic car fumes and forcing me to breathe them in here, and ill put out my smoke"

somebody does that to me will be punched in the mouth. when i smoke in the bar or in the club and somebody tells me to put it out, i obey because i have to. anybody tells me to put it out while im smoking outside is getting punched right in the fucking mouth.

oh yeah, 3rd hand smoke kills too. cant wait for the day when they discover 11th hand smoke and still sell them

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Originally posted by love_child Ah so this is what its about then huh lol

Jay doesn't smoke....so I guess the laugh is on you

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Jay doesn't smoke....so I guess the laugh is on you

But i do like clubs and parties and i see the same type of biased argument and political misrepresentation against nightclubs as i do when it comes to issues like smoking. And it usually comes from the same group of people too.

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Originally posted by Inrush I guess its different when you know someone that has been directly affected by second hand smoke

I used to be on your side of the fence, but eventually I sucked it up and actually read the second-hand smoke studies and realized that the evidence for casual inhalation of second-hand causing permanent health problems was virtually nonexistent.

If you live with a heavy smoker then it will have an effect. If you spend several hours a day with smokers (i.e. work with them) then it might have an effect. A few minutes a day or a couple of hours a week though... highly unlikely. And outdoors, in a park, it's just absurd. The actual amount of SHS anyone will breathe in is minuscule, and even if you assumed that some kid was getting direct exposure to SHS for every minute spent in a park, it's just not enough time to cause complications.

There were good arguments for banning smoking in offices, and OK arguments for bars and clubs that I agreed with at the time, but this time there's no valid health argument, it's totally agenda driven.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I used to be on your side of the fence, but eventually I sucked it up and actually read the second-hand smoke studies and realized that the evidence for casual inhalation of second-hand causing permanent health problems was virtually nonexistent. If you live with a heavy smoker then it will have an effect. If you spend several hours a day with smokers (i.e. work with them) then it might have an effect. A few minutes a day or a couple of hours a week though... highly unlikely. And outdoors, in a park, it's just absurd. The actual amount of SHS anyone will breathe in is minuscule, and even if you assumed that some kid was getting direct exposure to SHS for every minute spent in a park, it's just not enough time to cause complications. There were good arguments for banning smoking in offices, and OK arguments for bars and clubs that I agreed with at the time, but this time there's no valid health argument, it's totally agenda driven.

Very well said

as a person who's never smoked, i always appreciated the laws against smoking indoors.. but this is ridiculous. what harm is one second of cig smoke smell in passing by outdoors? you probably encounter more carcinogens walking by someone spraying deodorant.. and if some guy in a big blue van is driving in suburbs exhaling smoke in kids' faces, i don't think this law will deter him

trying to scold a huge fraction of the population for something they most often do responsibly and at their own risk, along with things like censoring advertisements in stores .. a whole bunch of wack precedents set for the future, all in name of the crusade against smoking.

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I havent touched a cigarette in well over a year now but I still think that this law is going well over the top. IT IS OUTDOORS! I agree 100% with Jay on this one and the socialist Toronto municipal government really should be focusing on infrastructure and assisting in creating jobs, but nope, lets ban smoking within 30 feet of city parks....a law that can and will never be enforced. If I was still a smoker and I was outside and someone asked me to put out my cigarette I would have not hesitation I telling them to shut right the fuck up. There is my 2 cents.