Well I did reference the "scene" a lot, but that's because in terms of trance DJs -- Opera is the "scene" due to Liquified utilizing it about every time. In reality, this is specifically in regards to Opera though and the "mega DJs" that come through.

And I agree Seppeku. I know what to expect, but I'm one of those people who likes to speak up and get my voice heard. Rarely do I get changes implemented, but sometimes I have.

Sorry for basically annoying a lot of you with some of this pointless drivel, but this is my only outlet really to talk to Liquified. This or in private message. But this does allow for other people to chime in and also comment on how Opera isn't a good venue.

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Originally posted by trancension Well I did reference the "scene" a lot, but that's because in terms of trance DJs -- Opera is the "scene" due to Liquified utilizing it about every time. In reality, this is specifically in regards to Opera though and the "mega DJs" that come through. And I agree Seppeku. I know what to expect, but I'm one of those people who likes to speak up and get my voice heard. Rarely do I get changes implemented, but sometimes I have. Sorry for basically annoying a lot of you with some of this pointless drivel, but this is my only outlet really to talk to Liquified. This or in private message. But this does allow for other people to chime in and also comment on how Opera isn't a good venue.

agreed! imo, this forum represents a community of people that have a passion for edm. this is a place for healthy discussion, and you should be able to vent.

I haven't been to Opera since its first show after re-opening.

Damn has it been a while.

Yea, well i just scanned the thread, so pardon if it has been mentioned....

The sound system sucks, the sound quality is poor... i could elaborate, but thats just my 2 cents. I don't go to shows there for this reason above many of the others everyone else has brought up...

DISCLAIMER: This is not coming from Liquified but it is coming from me, myself, and I....DEVIN WALKLEY. I have a lot to say here about things that have been posted, I will probably cuss (which I rarely do when speaking in public forums), I will probably piss some of you off, and I will probably opens some eyes but I feel that I need to talk about some of the things that have been posted that I feel very passionate about ......


I first started going out to live shows 24 years ago and first started going out to clubs to hear "dance" music 20 years ago. I have toured with the Dead, I went to tons of teen clubs when I was younger, know a ton of musical genius on a personal level and experienced A LOT of life through music. I fell in love with music at an early age and always new that music was going to be my life. To say that I have been around the block and back is a bit of an understatement.

When I first started going out to clubs I had no idea what the name of the song being played was, who the dj was or really what I was doing there. All I knew was I was going out and having a lot of fun whether it be walking around, dancing, or just standing there. I just had that emotion in me that knew that I wanted to be there. The experience to be part of it was amazing.

I am sure that I was the poser to the "veterans" but that didn't matter to me because this was my life and I created my own path and lived how I wanted to. I was raised not to judge and to live my life like everyone around me was an equal.

These shows are part of an entertainment industry. The sole purpose is for people to go out and be entertained whether it be dancing, walking, standing, being VIP, or hitting on girls. That's the brilliance of what entertainment is about, it has no boundaries. A lot of the people hating in this thread are stating things like people should not be able to go to these shows if they don't know a track, these people aren't true fans of EDM or they are just there to pick up chicks. WHO CARES? They are there to be entertained, they are there to let off some steam from everyday life, they are there because a friend said they should because they would have fun, or they are there because they wanted to try something new. IT DOES NOT MATTER because at the end of the day they are there and they are part of the night just like everyone else.

For the most part in this thread people are hating on Opera because of the crowd you think the venue attracts. Sorry that's part of going out anywhere in the world. It happens EVERYWHERE and not just at Opera. There will always be those who bitch about this and that and say they wont go somewhere because of a "crowd' the place attracts or whatever. That's your opinion and that's fine but honestly some of the things that have been said in this thread comes off as disturbing to me. We as a society should of progressed further then this, its almost like going back to the days of segregation with some of the statements put forth here. You don't want these people at the shows that are "yours" because they don't think they know a single song or they look funny. ARE YOU SERIOUS? It reminds me of the same thing where black people were made to ride in the back of the bus because of their color. Sure you will think that statement is a bit of a stretch but its really not if you think bigger in the picture.

Yes there are people who don't like Opera, but the next set wont like the tabernacle, wont like the mark, won't like wetbar, hell there are people who may not like me anymore for what I had to say in this thread and that's fine.

I very much welcome threads like this to be posted because I do very much care about opinions, if I didn't I would not still be doing shows in Atlanta after almost 15 years. BUT we were all wet behind the ears at one point and had to start somewhere, so instead of hating maybe we should all be teaching! Reach out to people, talk to them, learn something about them, say hi, smile or whatever!

Remember this is entertainment, not who knows the most tracks, or who dances the most, or who feels that should be there more then others because they know more about a certain music or who the DJ is. It's about living and having fun. If your not having fun at this particular place then find another spot that you enjoy more, I just ask that you don't judge people and just enjoy life because its way to short!

I understand your point Devin, and it would be different (for me, at least) if I could at least feel like the venue respects my patronage to put up with other attendees that I may find annoying. However, aside from wanting to slap the girl who accidentally shoves a cigarette into you, burning a hole in your shirt without apologizing, or the guy who literally tumbles over you and knocks you to the floor without apologizing, I also want to slap the bouncer who holds the line while talking to someone about old men in expensive cars, the bartender who disappears with a $10 bill of yours, or the other bouncer who flat out lies and starts yelling at you when you tell him you KNOW there is a bathroom downstairs.

The other people in attendance for the evening can be as retarded as they wish, but if I pay $30+ to come into your establishment, I want to feel like my presence is welcomed and appreciated.

I do like the idea you're putting shows in other places. I'm anxious to check a few of those out, even if I'm not all about the DJ

Hi Devin,

I am not a big Armin V Buuren fan. I like trance but am into psy more than mainstream. I was at the AVB thing. First, a few notes:

1. I paid a large amount for my ticket.
2. I got stopped outside (as in once inside) because there were too many people on the dance floor.
3. I I spent a 100 bucks on drinks and just when I ran out of cash and asked for a glass of water she said sorry the credit card section is closed. For god sakes. A glass of water.

Finally, I'm not pissed of about all those things. These things happen. It would be better if they didn't but anyway.

What I am really pissed off about it that fact that the sound system totally SUCKS at opera. I stood there, all over the place to ensure it wasn't just where I was standing but it sucked everywhere. Trance is about sound and all I was hearing was jibberish and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the DJ.

So, that's my complaint. If I wanted to just do the drinking, clubbing thing I would just go on regular nights. But why do you torture us with the shitty sound coupled with awesome DJ's?

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Devin, I appreciate your post and agree with you for the most part. I did think comparing it to segregation was a stretch and a little unfair. We aren't saying people have to look a certain way. Heck, I wear everyday clothes there. I don't feel the need to dress up in a suit and wear gucci shades to fit in. If anything, people would be hating on me. What's wrong with thinking people should go to a show to listen to the music? I mean, they can pick up chicks or whatever elsewhere. It's a respect thing. Like when people go to movies and talk. Why ruin the experience for others if you know there are other places you can do it? I guess honestly as long as they don't bother others, it's fine for them to be there. It's just when they go just to get wasted and bump into people, that's when it becomes a problem. I know a lot of the discussion has been about Opera, but you are right, it happens all over. I mean, I was nearly attacked by a stoned guy while being bumped into by crazy people at Wetbar too. The scene attracts a lot of bad characters. I mean in any kind of music you will have some bad seeds. Ours tends to lean towards snobs and druggies.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Ours tends to lean towards snobs and druggies.

I notice most often a combination of the two!

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 The scene attracts a lot of bad characters. I mean in any kind of music you will have some bad seeds. Ours tends to lean towards snobs and druggies.

And this will never change unfortunately




Preach awn, Fatha' Devin!

It's sad because when I bring friends out to shows they usually respond with "well I had fun but I felt like I didn't belong there".

Unfortunately, I feel that way too a lot of the time. Combination of age and status.