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Originally posted by Kismet7 Ok so... VSTs and VAs sound sonically the same. ::sigh::

The Virus algorithms running on your computer, instead of a DSP, would sound absolutely identical. In fact, it would actually sound better, since it would not be subject to the degradation of being converted from digital to analog, then back to digital again.

Once again, do a computer science or engineering degree, then try to debate this with me. Until then, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I'd attribuate your inability to objectively tell the difference between the quality of EDM music made in the 80s and 90s using purely hardware, to the crap music that is made purely on software today, to being at some level deaf. Furthermore, the inability to observe the drop in quality of music that is made, signed, and released in modern times to the music of the past to blindness and again deafness. So no, no opinions here, just objective observations.

I disagree, therefore I am deaf! How splendid, what a rigorous, fact and logic-based argument!
CHANGE in quality, my friend. A lot of that analogue warmth that people tout so highly was not superior circuitry or anything of the sort, but in fact subtle distortion and whatnot, due to the fact that the circuitry was in fact not perfect. YOU MAY LIKE THIS SOUND BETTER, THAT IS FINE, but in a strict sense, higher 'quality' would suggest a lack of disturbances such as distortion and the like that are what give those analogue synths that warmth.

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Originally posted by mezzir I disagree, therefore I am deaf! How splendid, what a rigorous, fact and logic-based argument! CHANGE in quality, my friend. A lot of that analogue warmth that people tout so highly was not superior circuitry or anything of the sort, but in fact subtle distortion and whatnot, due to the fact that the circuitry was in fact not perfect. YOU MAY LIKE THIS SOUND BETTER, THAT IS FINE, but in a strict sense, higher 'quality' would suggest a lack of disturbances such as distortion and the like that are what give those analogue synths that warmth.

psssstttt....

::whispers::
your moving the yard sticks and changing what is important in this topic.

Now you want to make the case that vst is better than analogue because the lack of distortion and "disturbances" that is found in digital? Buh buh buh what about emotional and mental impact? Is moving people important, or clean sounds important?

If you prefer clean, good for you. Objectively, Analogue sounds better to me, and if I had the choice between the two, id go with Analogue, and then VA over purely software.

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Originally posted by echosystm The Virus algorithms running on your computer, instead of a DSP, would sound absolutely identical. In fact, it would actually sound better, since it would not be subject to the degradation of being converted from digital to analog, then back to digital again. Once again, do a computer science or engineering degree, then try to debate this with me. Until then, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

So why cant software developers make what the VA's have created and profit? Sonically, where are the VA grade VSTs?

Spectrasonics is rich enough, REFX is rich enough, Cakewalk is rich enough. Native Instruments is rich enough, probably richer than most VA hardware companies, why arent they investing in a software VST that smacks VA's around?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 psssstttt.... ::whispers:: your moving the yard sticks and changing what is important in this topic. Now you want to make the case that vst is better than analogue because the lack of distortion and "disturbances" that is found in digital? Buh buh buh what about emotional and mental impact? Is moving people important, or clean sounds important? If you prefer clean, good for you. Objectively, Analogue sounds better to me, and if I had the choice between the two, id go with Analogue, and then VA over purely software.

All I'm trying to get you to admit is that it's your opinion, and that other people who disagree with you are not necessarily wrong. And emotional and mental impact are about as subjective as it gets.

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Originally posted by mezzir All I'm trying to get you to admit is that it's your opinion, and that other people who disagree with you are not necessarily wrong. And emotional and mental impact are about as subjective as it gets.

I don't know if its subjective, taste aside, if the same frequencies, tones, harmonics, are imposed on two different people, they will likely net similar mental and emotional results. Just like an F Minor chord might come off as dark sounding to most people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8KJ7Diyok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBfO_oyy7k

I'd hate to think that the im alone in the emotional and mental impact of this music released in 1996, likely created on an assortment of analogue devices.


ps: I wonder if Burial has heard the first track above.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So why cant software developers make what the VA's have created and profit? Sonically, where are the VA grade VSTs? Spectrasonics is rich enough, REFX is rich enough, Cakewalk is rich enough. Native Instruments is rich enough, probably richer than most VA hardware companies, why arent they investing in a software VST that smacks VA's around?

Z3ta is better than any virus VA.

Talk to RGC Audio, they made a vsti that SMACKS THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF AND SPITS ON...the virus, yes the analog virus. Audiorealism Bassline 2 RAPES the 303 in the ass, so hard its intestines are pulled out in a razor like raspy noise that actually caused Union Jack to make his infamous Red Herring track.. And oh oh lets not even talk about FM8...it makes the dx7 look like a little whiny fucking bitch on a bad hairday, the dx7 is utter fucking trash compared to FM8, if FM8 is a PSP...then dx7 is an N-Gage.

Ive stated a statement so it must be true.

As for trance dying, its not the methods people use to make itt hat killed it, its the type of music people want to make that killed it, bt, armin, tiesto, airwave, pvd..blame them for fucking trance up. Not companies that make software vstis.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Z3ta is better than any virus VA. Talk to RGC Audio, they made a vsti that SMACKS THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF AND SPITS ON...the virus, yes the analog virus. Audiorealism Bassline 2 RAPES the 303 in the ass, so hard its intestines are pulled out in a razor like raspy noise that actually caused Union Jack to make his infamous Red Herring track.. And oh oh lets not even talk about FM8...it makes the dx7 look like a little whiny fucking bitch on a bad hairday, the dx7 is utter fucking trash compared to FM8, if FM8 is a PSP...then dx7 is an N-Gage. Ive stated a statement so it must be true.

Sometimes I love hyperbole, so I'll just give you a high 5, thanks for the funny, thread needed a bit more.

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funny listening to this tho

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Originally posted by Tsuekasa I ask for ketchup and I start WWIII funny listening to this tho

Yah, and I had the Abomb stockpile and square mile Vaporizing Satellite. Its over now, the Fallout will be quickly replaced with flowers blooming and birds chirping. Back to wrestling with software, extracting the few mentally and emotionally impactful sounds.

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