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Originally posted by cronodevir Funny, FLStudio with Full VSTi support

Ok, now try running Korg Legacy, a UAD plugin, Nexus... Yeah, fail.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Paintshop Pro 9

lol.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Your parents should be slapped for using proprietary office software, its their fault they have vendor lock in and are forced to use crappy Ms products.

Blatant idealistic fanboyism right here man. My parents can't afford to have compatibility problems with their documents, because their jobs depend on it. When my dad e-mails off a quote for a big money contract, what do you think his clients would think if the document was all messed up? This is a perfect example of the reality-disconnection phenomena lol.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Flash problem? You just made that up.

See how much RAM and CPU your typical Flash page uses on Linux vs. Windows. Open up a few tabs and you're guaranteed to be in stutter-mania. Flash support for Linux is well known to be totally crap.

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Originally posted by cronodevir And of course it runs programs like paintshop or photoshop. And wine was doing this 4 years ago... Also, MS Office works with Wine.

Ok, tell me how much fun you have getting Adobe CS4 running lol. Same goes for Office 2007, Visual Studio and just about every other program I can't live without.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You guys are thinking about Linux 10 years ago.

I use Linux every day and have probably done so since before you even knew what it was

You're going to wake up one day and be like "fuck I can't believe I wasted x months/years on this shit". I love Linux, but it is only useful for a very small number of things, most of which are not in the desktop arena. However, it is very good at those things.

Storyteller : All that sounds like a problem with the user, not the OS. Its not supposed to cater to windows. That would defeat the purpose. But hey if people want to stay with borked windows, let them, that means less asinine question in Linux tech support.

echsystem with the way the economy is, your dad won't have to make any more documents :P

I have no need to "switch back to windows"...only reason I'm on it now was to try cubase. And cubase failed the test so it won't be used, I can switch back now and have no problems doing what I already do now.

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Guys, I seriously cannot understand why you're still arguing with cronodevir on this thread or any other.

He's been called out and proven wrong on so many threads now that when he starts posting on a thread, I know that's my cue to leave it, and not bother anymore. Just look at all the threads he's gotton on to recently and notice how they decent into meaningless offtopic nonsense.

Honestly, all of you (Storyteller, Echo, Kit, Danni, palm, diginut, subtle, richie, FJ, Edz, etc,) know better than to waste your time as you're all oldschool on here and well informed, even if your viewpoints ans opinions vary.

He literally just argues for the sake of it, and worst of all he's nearly always misinformed or misguided.

Name one instance where I was proven wrong on something, And I will show you fallacy in action. Only time Ive been wrong is in the discussion about wav files. That is all, every other discussion was me posting an opinion, as an a opinion, and people flying off the wang. Like Subtle.

I'm posting like I always have, threads go offtopic when people want to try to debate me and prove to me why they think my opinion is wrong. And this is pretty recent. So don't try to play it off like i'm the one who is trouble. Don't call me out on some shit when its other arrogant mother ******s who think they can debate an opinion. Its not my fault this is the internet and people are too stupid to know when someone is arguing or talking normally. Like the cubase thread, i said it was my preference to use freezemode over bouncing wavs because its easier. Diginut wanted to argue against my preference, that alone is a fallacy.

Half of you people probably think this post is argumentative. Sucks to be you.

This is bollocks. I'm taking a break from this place, I'm not just gonna be fuel for folks who want to find someone to argue with and think I'm the easiest target.

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Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-13-2009 at 19:56

Actually, I shouldn't have referenced the people above, they're perfectly capable of speak for themselves but there's a reason I listed them:

all of them in their own way or fields are incredibly knowledgeable and have been involved in thoughtful discussions where you've come along, told them they're wrong and posted pages of, in some cases well written, absolute bullshit. They've all also at some point told you, in no uncertain terms that you don't have a clue and that they're on to you.

I've seen many of them post over the years and really learned a lot from what's on here, as well as contributing myself and all of them do it not to argue but to share information and as I do, like to give something back.

I didn't even know about the examples you seem to be referring to about you being incorrect on particular subjects - I could post all the threads where I just go "...oh no, not again..." but honestly, I don't want to embares you.

Seriously do a search under you name and see where you seem to be an "expert" on everything or everyone else is "stupid".....That's it!... everyones a cvnt, you're great they just don't know it yet. "sucks to be them".

I'm pretty sure you're not out of school yet, never been in a pro studio and haven't released anything of any signifigance. not that there's anything wrong with that at all - just don't teel us you're the fucking oracle.

Sorry - I really don't mean this to be a personal "attack". Please just read the tone and content of your posts - they're nearly always confrontational and you paint yourself to be the warren buffet of EDM.

My posts are not confrontational. I simply don't care about spending time making them as neutral as I can. I expect people to be intelligent enough to see what I am saying and take it for what it is. Who cares how it sounds? And I don't act like I'm the only one right and everyone else is wrong. I simply say something when someone gets something wrong, instead of ignoring it or calling them a douche. When people say something correct why would they need any input from anyone else? Most of the people you have mentioned I agree with most of the time. Also most of the people you have mentioned Ive only ever had problems with when they say something stupid.

If you really deduce everything you mentioned from my posts, then I will say you shouldn't make assumptions and take the content for what it is. This isn't an ePenis contest and it isn't high school. There is no reason for me to make myself look like an oracle or what ever. Its the internet.

I think some people need to seriously consider taking etiquette classes or something. When you get to the point where a guy clearly says "I don't agree with you" and you interpret that as "yer a fvckin meron you peic of shit i am rite u r rong"... something is wrong.

And you know what the funny part is. Everyone here ive talked to in msn or PM, ive gotten along with.

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Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-13-2009 at 20:57

i actually find some of your posts interesting. if you can make music on linux/ubuntu im more than willing to read about it, no mather if im going to try or not myself. right now im in a state needing to follow any best possible standards due to my lack of time and patient learning something new and the need of good online support, but someday I might have alot of freetime to learn new stuff (usually summer as i hate hot weather anyway and mostly hide inside) and then I would def be interesting in trying ubuntu studio or something else. Right now im learning mac and logic and that alone can be frustrating enough and if i end up whit that as i did with cubase, sonar, fruity, ableton, hardware then i need to try another thing and it might as well be linux. so far ive only been able to produce in Reason but im starting to feel its limitations in my vains. so keep posting for my sake. discussions are healthy anyway.

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Ive used FLStudio 7 in Ubuntu for a long while, I was able to use all my VSTi programs aswell. FLStudio 8 used to work, but to be honest, wine fucked up the registry system in a recent update. But it won't be long before its fixed. I was able to use firefox, to browse the web, 10 youtube vids opened with no issues. Amarok was pretty nice I think, and Photoshop and Paintshop both ran in wine just fine. The only troubles I had were when I myself did something wrong and broke something, which can happen because Linux is by no means idiot proof.

Just type "sudo rm -R /"[don't do this btw] into console and your pc will be pretty much fucked. Try to break windows and see how hard it is. Remember, sitting in a DAW with vsti and using mp3s and such is only a tiny method of making music, I know people who use only rosegarden to do the notation and the rest is done by their band. All that can be done on linux. Probably the hardest thing to do on linux is make EDM. But LMMS is a program that is getting somewhere relatively fast. And it aims to replace FLStudio Its completely linux based. Id use it myself but atm it doesn't have vsti FX support [lame] but does support vsti instruments. And all of this is done via apt-get, you hardly ever have to compile from source.

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Originally posted by cronodevir My posts are not confrontational. I simply don't care about spending time making them as neutral as I can. I expect people to be intelligent enough to see what I am saying and take it for what it is. Who cares how it sounds? And I don't act like I'm the only one right and everyone else is wrong. I simply say something when someone gets something wrong, instead of ignoring it or calling them a douche. When people say something correct why would they need any input from anyone else? Most of the people you have mentioned I agree with most of the time. Also most of the people you have mentioned Ive only ever had problems with when they say something stupid.

Please don't make me quote your posts from the few weeks just to prove this point....

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Originally posted by cronodevir If you really deduce everything you mentioned from my posts, then I will say you shouldn't make assumptions and take the content for what it is. This isn't an ePenis contest and it isn't high school. There is no reason for me to make myself look like an oracle or what ever. Its the internet.

Again, I can quote your recent posts if you really want me to show you how you come across? Let's just say.. "I'm in an argumentative mood at the moment". Ring any bells? No? How about the fact you mention the epenis thing? Hmmmm reminds me of a thread when you got called out and someone posted that epenis joke jpeg, referring directly to you.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I think some people need to seriously consider taking etiquette classes or something. When you get to the point where a guy clearly says "I don't agree with you" and you interpret that as "yer a fvckin meron you peic of shit i am rite u r rong"... something is wrong. And you know what the funny part is. Everyone here ive talked to in msn or PM, ive gotten along with.

It's not about that at all. I'm sure you're a nice person and get on with people. I'm saying that a lot of things you've said on here are just utter nonsense. Then combine them with how you say it and you just come across obnoxious and childish.

Here's an example in this very thread:

While professing how linux is better that windows for what we do (duh ) you say "Try to break windows and see how hard it is". Are you fucking kidding me? Windows while useful for our needs is very easy to break and has numerous flaws allowing it be seriously disabled or damaged with one or two simple regedits.

Want an example of how you come across?
"The general idea is, I think most of you are full of shit and don't know/understand linux"
"Its the internet, you guys are wrong, get used to it"
"Your parents should be slapped for using proprietary office software"

AND THAT'S JUST ON THIS FUCKING PAGE!!! Seriously if you go through some other posts/threads it just gets worse.

I can only think you are slightly delusional in the true sense - you get caught up in your threads and have no idea that on the internet, what you wright is often taken for who you are and you don't realize that what you wright is taken at face value.

I'm done though. If you don't see it now, you never will.

Lol those quotes of mine are jokes.

"The general idea is, I think most of you are full of shit and don't know/understand linux"

How do you not see that is a joke? Its leaning on this idea people have on the internet of right and wrong. Same with this one: "Its the internet, you guys are wrong, get used to it" I see that and I lol. Because it sounds like your typical eNerd who is in an argument he is not winning.

Though in retrospect, I could see how one would not see the humor in them. If a person thought everything else I said was wrong those statements could be seen as serious come backs from me.

Its like when I said trance died after 1999. Do you honestly think that I believe every single trance song made after December 21st 1999 sucks? No, trance went down hill a bit but there is still some spiffy stuff out there, the statement is only said to shed some light on a discussion that has gotten a bit serious, by saying a statement that is cliche.

Most of the time when people see these posts as confrontational, are times when i'm not serious. Take my recent posts to palm for example. those are serious posts, nothing in them speaks of confrontation.

As for windows being hard to break, compared to Linux it is hard. You can kill Linux in one command, a command you could easily mistake and type in. Windows requires at least a minuscule amount of effort.

I think Ive had enough attention, how about we talk about bit-rates again? Here is an easy question, What is bit-rate?

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dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

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Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-13-2009 at 22:09

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Originally posted by cronodevir Storyteller : All that sounds like a problem with the user, not the OS.

And this is the institutional problem with FOSS that I was talking about, right here in plain view: The experienced users and evangelists, instead of trying to help neophytes by offering cool-headed advice and pushing the development community for better designs, will brand said users as ignorant twits and browbeat them endlessly for not figuring it out themselves.

There are some products out there that have inferior quality or at least inferior usability to their competition, but make up for it by having top-notch support and customer service. Linux is not one of them.

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